[mpls] Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy-03.txt

[Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]>]

I think there is an “if” here. If MNA is standardised and if other MN actions become common in usage, then including the entropy marker in the MNA would be an efficient approach saving one LSE (the ELI) as the cost of the LSE-A and LSE-B are already covered by the other uses of MNA.

 

This *is* a benefit, but possibly not earth-shattering. But, so far, we have no consensus on any MN actions.

 

The SPL used as the ELI (7) is unlikely to be deprecated and released back for reassignment any time soon as it’s use is in the field. So that can’t be counted as a benefit.

 

The other benefit (that I can see, and which is noted in the document) is the reduction in complexity caused by having only one construct, not two, to process.

 

There are three choices that can be made by the ingress when there are legacy routers on the path:

1.	Decide that the legacy nodes shall not have access to entropy – use MNA
2.	Decide that all nodes shall have access to entropy through EL/ELI – new implementations must continue to support EL/ELI, but never see MNA and EL/ELI at the same time
3.	Decide that all nodes shall have access to entropy through a mix of EL/ELI and MNA – implementations find entropy where they may

 

I believe that the document attempts to cover the case of legacy routers on the path.

*	It notes that EL/ELI is deployed and likely to persist.
*	It recommends not using EL/ELI and MNA in the same packet (but does not prohibit it).

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

From: Stewart Bryant <[e-mail]> 
Sent: 02 September 2024 08:15
To: Tony Li <[e-mail]>
Cc: mpls <[e-mail]>
Subject: [mpls] Re: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy-03.txt

 

Hi Tony

 

I am struggling to see whether this has a sufficient advantage over the existing EL/ELI mechanism to justify us recommending it existence.

 

It is obvious that this can be done, and it saves an LSE, but is that sufficient justification for the complexity introduced by having two mechanisms that of necessity need to co-exist?

 

We also need to understand what happens in a legacy routers that are looking for EL/ELI and older routers that just hash the stack. I think they just provide less (no?) entropy. 

 

I imagine this ends with routers needing to parse for both types of entropy which is not a great position to be in.

 

Best regards

 

Stewart 





On 30 Aug 2024, at 5:26 PM, Tony Li <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> > wrote:

[WG chair hat: off]

 

Hi,

 

This update addresses comments from Adrian Farrel as part of the WG adoption process.

 

Comments and corrections are most welcome.

 

Thanks,

Tony

 





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From: "internet-drafts at ietf.org" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> >

Subject: New Version Notification for draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy-03.txt

Date: August 30, 2024 at 9:24:05 AM PDT

To: "John Drake" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> >, "Tony Li" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> >

Reply-To: [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> 

 

A new version of Internet-Draft draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy-03.txt has been
successfully submitted by Tony Li and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:     draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy
Revision: 03
Title:    MPLS Network Action for Entropy
Date:     2024-08-28
Group:    Individual Submission
Pages:    5
URL:      https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy-03.txt
Status:   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy/
HTMLized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy
Diff:     https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-li-mpls-mna-entropy-03

Abstract:

  Load balancing is a powerful tool for engineering traffic across a
  network and has been successfully used in MPLS as described in RFC
  6790, "The Use of Entropy Labels in MPLS Forwarding".  With the
  emergence of MPLS Network Actions (MNA), there is signficant benefit
  in being able to invoke the same load balancing capabilities within
  the more general MNA infrastructure.

  This document describes a network action for entropy to be used in
  conjunction with "MPLS Network Action (MNA) Sub-Stack Solution".



The IETF Secretariat



 

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