[mpowr] WG Formation
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Sat, 14 February 2004 16:20 UTC
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(many thanks to bernard for creating this line of discussion and John for focusing on the startup issue.) JCK> ... A decade ago, a BOF JCK> (much less a couple of BOFs) were not requirements for creating JCK> a WG. In fact, a common requirement for authorizing a BOF was that there _already_ be an active mailing list. If the IETF still believes that the primary venue for work is the mailing list, then that is where the primary work of _formation_ needs to take place. I think that the desires for "give it a try and stop it if there is not sufficient progress" can be satisfied entirely by a simple structure that involves almost no extra IETF administrative or management effort. In fact it will require _less_ effort than needed today: 1. Anyone wanting to form a working group must first create a mailing list, and a web page that lists at least a mailing list and archive, and a candidate charter, 2. The mailing list must show enough history of activity to assess a pattern, specifically one of productive IETF-like discussion, for the charter and for the actual work. 3. The IETF should provide a "WG Formative Efforts" page and list any and all efforts that satisfy step 1. 4. A BOF can be authorized after #2 is satisfied. This gives efforts some visibility and allows them whatever startup thrashing they need. When they get past that stage and start doing productive, IETF types of work, they can be treated as a serious candidate for IETF oversight. I think that "relaxed chartering" has the very serious problem of creating lots of management pain, for little or no gain. It is too easy to do the pre-IETF work in a pre-IETF environment. Forcing IETF management to be involved -- especially with killing unproductive efforts -- is pretty much a lose-lose structure. d/ -- Dave Crocker <dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com> Brandenburg InternetWorking <www.brandenburg.com> Sunnyvale, CA USA <tel:+1.408.246.8253> _______________________________________________ mpowr mailing list mpowr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpowr
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