Re: [mpowr] WG Formation

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Mon, 16 February 2004 05:51 UTC

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From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
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Harald,

HTA> - Proposals, often externally initiated, for IETF activities. There, 
HTA> evidence of an active, open community/discussion is the first thing we ask 
HTA> for.

Excellent.  Then it is not a big step to make it a requirement, is it?

Except that most of the formative BOFs that I've been to in the last few
years have had little or no prior activity.

And the requirement I am suggesting is for actual work getting done.
That's different from simply having active discussion.  Active
discussion is easy.  Make progress is not.

d/
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 Dave Crocker <dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com>
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