Re: [mpowr] Mailing List Management

Alex,

Sorry for misspelling your name.

> On the other hand, I think IESG should have helped you resolve the
> crisis in the WG by other means. Have you asked for other type of help
> from IESG, other than stopping Email access?  This sounds like a typical
> technical conflict resolution problem, for which there is a science and
> professionals, who would be glad to help.
>

With respect to my experience as a WG chair, the problem had nothing to do
with a technical conflict. The participant who was being disruptive was
sending email about how the AD and the co-chairs were mis-managing the WG,
i.e. it was exclusively process comments. At one point, private email was
sent to someone involved in the WG threatening them with physical violence
at an IETF meeting. After this incident, it was difficult to accomplish any
good technical work in the WG.

In this case, there was no need to involve the IESG. Between the AD, the
other co-chair, and myself, we resolved the problem in a different way. We
didn't appeal to the IESG because, as I said, the IESG's track record of
removing people who are disruptive is not particularly good (though I think
they might have acted in this case).

Frankly, after this experience, I have some amount of difficulty
understanding your position. Such unprofessional, uncivilized behavior is
not tolerated in any other professional group or nonprofessional civil
society in general; yet, we routinely tolerate it on IETF mailing lists, if
not perhaps in the most extreme form I've cited here.

I've advanced this proposal (which I agree with Margaret is perhaps more
complex than necessary) in order to meet your and Scott's concerns.
Personally, I believe WG chairs and ADs should have the right to throw
anybody off the list they agree is being disruptive. If anybody thinks they
are being treated unfairly, they can always appeal.

            jak

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