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Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Mon, 29 December 2003 20:06 UTC

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:27:40 -0800
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Alex Rousskov <rousskov@measurement-factory.com>
Cc: MPowr <mpowr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [mpowr] Mailing List Management
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--On 29. desember 2003 11:47 -0700 Alex Rousskov 
<rousskov@measurement-factory.com> wrote:

>
> On Fri, 26 Dec 2003, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>
>> I have dealt with at least one environment where the level of
>> disruptive participants was far higher than most IETF lists.
>>
>> One of the things that was actively mentioned was that a banned
>> participant could get other people to forward their argument while
>> they were banned, if they had one they considered important.
>>
>> None ever did.
>
> None ever considered banned argument important or none ever forwarded
> the banned argument?

None ever forwarded mail from a banned person (the observable fact). As far 
as I know, no banned person ever asked someone else to forward - but I 
can't guarantee that it never happened.
>
> I suspect that once/if we have easier banning rules, more people will
> feel compelled to circumvent them. In fact, even with the existing
> rules, IETF participants have faked e-mail, subscribed to the list
> with more than one name, and done other terrible things (as privately
> confirmed by a senior IETFer who was working on formalizing the
> banning process).

Note that all of the "terrible" things you mention have happened WITHOUT an 
effective banning process.
>
> IMO, this means that "easy" rules should be nearly perfect or should
> not be.

I don't follow the logic....




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