[mpowr] process-only participation in WG [Troops vs superpower]
Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> Thu, 18 December 2003 07:52 UTC
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From: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
To: Alex Conta <aconta@txc.com>
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Subject: [mpowr] process-only participation in WG [Troops vs superpower]
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Alex Conta wrote: > You say you've been told "IETF does not have enough folks willing to do > process management only, without the technical work". > > I believe that. > > But a separation of process management from technical work, in case of N > WGs in IETF, will allow X to chair WG A, and do technical work in as > many WGs as X wants except A, which is N-1 WGs. > > So I do not see why you stopped? Individual X can do both process > management and technical work. My assumption is that a person participates in a WG because he wants to contribute to it (usually technically). You assume that capable individuals are willing to do process management in those WGs which they're not interested of (because, if they were, they would be participating to the WG making them uncapable to act as WG chair). That is a huge assumption in the real world. Chairing is a lot of work. Why would I (or someone else) want to waste time on something that I don't even find interesting, while I could use the same time to contribute technically in other WGs? -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ mpowr mailing list mpowr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpowr
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Robert Snively
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Alex Rousskov
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Robert Snively
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Alex Conta
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Alex Rousskov
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Robert Snively
- [mpowr] process-only participation in WG [Troops … Pekka Savola
- [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG [Tro… Alex Conta
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Re: process-only particip… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG … James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG … Pekka Savola
- Re: [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG … Alex Conta
- Re: [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG … James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG … Alex Conta