[mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair) roles - MPOWR WG proposal
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Hi Pete, > Right now any AD can, of his or her own choosing and without any > change in 2026 or 2418, decide to make their WG chairs responsible > for the technical writeup of documents, resolving last call issues, > and shepherding of the document through the IESG including resolving > discuss issues. An AD can choose to do this now without asking the > IETF for any consensus whatsoever. > > Personally, I think this would be a good thing for an AD to do > anyway. It certainly has every appearance of addressing the workload > problem and some more of the transparency problem. > > This is not worthy of a WG. It is worthy of implementation. I mostly agree with you. These types of changes do fall completely within the scope of our current BCPs. However, they can't be implemented on an IETF-wide basis "right now", because they are not supported by our current IESG-secretariat procedures, nor are they well-supported by our tools. We will need some procedural and tools changes to support this shift, and those are the types of changes that I expect the PROTO Team to propose to the IESG. We can (and will) make these changes as quickly as we can, while also being prudent and careful. > Having discussions on whether or not it would be a good idea to > increase the powers and authority of a WG or WG chair might be > interesting. Having ongoing discussions to decide whether or not > increasing the responsibilities of WG chairs is working out (once > started; see previous paragraph) is fine. But forming a WG when there > is no need for documentation of some of these straightforward > procedural changes is, IMO, silly. Forming a WG to produce a document > to discuss this is simply delaying, and delay is something we've seen > more than enough of. The discussion of this WG, and its possible formation, is not expected to delay the work of the PROTO Team. Some people believe that we need changes to RFCs 2418 and/or 2026 to modernize, clarify or modify the roles of WG chairs, ADs, etc. If there is community consensus that these types of changes are needed, that is what the WG will work on. IMO, this is a lower priority effort than making the changes to our IESG-Secretariat procedures and tools that will allow us to give WGs (through WG chairs) more visibility and control over their documents in the later document phases. Margaret _______________________________________________ mpowr mailing list mpowr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpowr
- [Mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Margaret.Wasserman
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Pete Resnick
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Margaret.Wasserman
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Ted Hardie
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Margaret.Wasserman
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… James Kempf
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Scott Bradner
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Scott Bradner
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Pete Resnick
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Henrik Levkowetz
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Melinda Shore
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Margaret.Wasserman
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… john.loughney
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… john.loughney
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Keith Moore
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… James Kempf
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Dave Crocker
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Dave Crocker
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Pete Resnick
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Pete Resnick
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Pete Resnick
- Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: Re: [… James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Steve Coya
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Dave Crocker
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Keith Moore
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… Pete Resnick
- [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word Lucy E. Lynch
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… James Kempf
- [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word James Kempf
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… James Kempf
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… Dave Crocker
- [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A … Pekka Savola
- [mpowr] Troops versus superpower Alex Rousskov
- [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word Alex Conta
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… Alex Conta
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… David Meyer
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… Alex Rousskov
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… David Meyer
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… Alex Conta
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… Alex Rousskov
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… David Meyer
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… David Meyer
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… Dave Crocker
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… Dave Crocker
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Alex Conta
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Alex Conta
- [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word Alex Conta