Re: [mpowr] Mailing List Management

[Alex Rousskov <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, James Kempf wrote:

> So I guess I don't see any difference between the chair sending out
> email saying "filter this guy's email" and the chair removing the
> person from the list, except from a theoretical standpoint.

The e-mail will advise about available options (such as "filter this
guy's email"). It does not have to recommend any specific action.

> The net effect is the same: nobody reads the disruptor's email.

The effects are radically different: "nobody reads" versus "people who
consider guy's e-mail disruptive do not read".

> Also, I'm not sure I agree that everyone should be forced into the
> inconvenience of having to modify their spam filters just so that a
> single person can continue to post.

The inconvenience seem to be very minor given today's mail management
software. When/if IETF starts managing its own lists, this can be
further automated/simplified on IETF side.

> If the problem is handled by having everyone put the disruptor's
> name in the spam filter, then the chair has to send out an email
> saying "all right, X has agreed to be a good boy/girl, you can take
> him out of your spam filter now".

Yes. More precisely, the chair will forward (quote) X's e-mail
explaining X's intentions to the list. The decision to alter filters
remains with each participant, as always.

> Perhaps this kind of public humiliation would serve as a deterrent,
> but I think it more likely that quiet negotiation and reintroduction
> of the person into the WG community in a less intrusive way would be
> preferable.

I assume that quiet negotiation happens and fails before any action is
taken:

	Chair: Would you please pause while we talk in private?
	X:     No (and continues to post 5 messages/minute)
	Chair: Posts "your options" e-mail on the list

	Chair: Would you please pause while we talk in private?
	X:     Sure (stops posting for a day)
	Chair: Let's negotiate the settlement in private

Alex.

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