Re: [mpowr] Mailing List Management

OK, this has been fun.

First, Margaret is right, and we don't need more obstacles for new
participants.

Second, the post-everything-and-advise-people-to-filter gives you
archives that look like puke. See your favorite WG mailing list
archives for examples. e2e is about 50% spam, and that's just from not
requiring membership to post.

Third, saying that WG chairs don't have the right to moderate on the
input side, but do have the right to advise filtering on the output
side, is insane. Yes, people can ignore the WG chair advice, but does
anyone really think that advise-to-filter wouldn't be appealed in
exactly the same way as suspension of posting rights? I know that's
what *I* would do, if I felt I'd been filtered unfairly.

Fourth, what is the poor sap AD supposed to do when the filtered
participant appeals a consensus call made while the participant was
filtered? Is the AD supposed to look at the filtered mailing list
(probably the wrong answer), the unfiltered mailing list (which no one
else was looking at), or (best of all) the mailing list through the
ADs *own* filters? They do have them, you know.

Fifth, is this thread really the model discussion for mpowr? We're
talking about list moderation, and for better or worse, we have
decades of experience with list/newsgroup moderation. What if we try
to work on a HARD problem?

Spencer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Margaret.Wasserman@nokia.com>
To: <rousskov@measurement-factory.com>om>; <aconta@txc.com>
Cc: <mpowr@ietf.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: [mpowr] Mailing List Management

The problem with the "filter e-mail" approach is simple:  it
doesn't work for new people.

How will a new person know who to filter?  Will the new person
give up on a WG before he discovers that everyone in the group
is filtering a certain set of (sometimes) disruptive posters?
Will new peoples' good ideas get filtered out if they share
them in response to the wrong person?

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