Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair) roles - MPOWR WG proposal)
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Thu, 18 December 2003 03:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: Re: [mpowr] Re:
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Pete, >>One argument some have made against giving the WG chairs more X >>stuff is that we don't get very good people as WG chairs. PR> Straw man. I've certainly never said that. It is pretty close to something that I said. Of course, I tried to be a bit more diplomatic, casting the problem in terms of working group chairs having less experience. The simple point is that we already have a power with ADs sometimes exercising their power inappropriately, so we should assume that moving things down to the chair will suffer at least as much of a problem. Given that chairs are usually less experienced and are chosen in a different fashion, the problem could become much worse. However I think that your own point about the inherent power of the working group, compared with the derived power of IETF management, including chairs, is the most important point. This is where reference to the IETF's being a volunteer organization is so important. The troops really are in charge. When we run things without paying attention to that, we get volunteers who leave, by giving up on the working group. d/ -- Dave Crocker <dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com> Brandenburg InternetWorking <www.brandenburg.com> Sunnyvale, CA USA <tel:+1.408.246.8253> _______________________________________________ mpowr mailing list mpowr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpowr
- [Mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Margaret.Wasserman
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Pete Resnick
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Margaret.Wasserman
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Ted Hardie
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Margaret.Wasserman
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… James Kempf
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Scott Bradner
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Scott Bradner
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Pete Resnick
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Henrik Levkowetz
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Melinda Shore
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Margaret.Wasserman
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… john.loughney
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… john.loughney
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Keith Moore
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… James Kempf
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Dave Crocker
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Dave Crocker
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Pete Resnick
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Pete Resnick
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Pete Resnick
- Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: Re: [… James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Steve Coya
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Dave Crocker
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Keith Moore
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… Pete Resnick
- [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word Lucy E. Lynch
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… James Kempf
- [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word James Kempf
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… James Kempf
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… Dave Crocker
- [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A … Pekka Savola
- [mpowr] Troops versus superpower Alex Rousskov
- [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word Alex Conta
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… Alex Conta
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… David Meyer
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… Alex Rousskov
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… David Meyer
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… Alex Conta
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… Alex Rousskov
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… David Meyer
- Re: [Solutions] Re: [mpowr] Re: Quality Control a… David Meyer
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… Dave Crocker
- Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: R… Dave Crocker
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Alex Conta
- Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (c… Alex Conta
- [mpowr] Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word Alex Conta