Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: Re: [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair) roles - MPOWR WG proposal)
Dave Crocker <dcrocker@brandenburg.com> Tue, 16 December 2003 22:28 UTC
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From: Dave Crocker <dcrocker@brandenburg.com>
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Subject: Re: Quality Control and that nasty A word (was: Re: [mpowr] Re:
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James, JK> No sane person is going to take the responsibility to do JK> something without the authority to get it done. Rather than debate your point, let me suggest that the question is, then, what the responsibility of the chair is. A very serious problem with trying to assign responsibility to the Chair for quality, and the like, is that it _removes_ responsibility away from the rest of the working group. The chair is responsible for facilitating a fair, timely, quality process. The entire working group is responsible for actually achieving those things. This is not semantics. It is a fundamental difference in views about the role of the Chair. d/ -- Dave Crocker <dcrocker-at-brandenburg-dot-com> Brandenburg InternetWorking <www.brandenburg.com> Sunnyvale, CA USA <tel:+1.408.246.8253> _______________________________________________ mpowr mailing list mpowr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpowr
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- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Further work on WG (chair… Ted Hardie
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