Re: [mpowr] Mailing List Management

[Alex Conta <[e-mail]>]

John C Klensin wrote:

> --On Saturday, December 20, 2003 21:45 -0800 Harald Tveit
> Alvestrand <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>in my opinion Alex Conta and Scott Bradner are wrong.
>> [...]
> 
> Two additions to Harald's comments...
> 
> [...] Should
> someone ejected from a list have the right to get (via appeal or
> otherwise), a quick review and response from the AD?  Yes, and I
> hope that doesn't require a rule (see below). 

There is an inherent contradiction between a well thought appeal 
decision, and quick. Today ADs/IESG do not act quickly on WG chairs 
requests of "remove" - "quick" will be the incentive to simply approve 
the decision of the chairs.

>[...] No, I don't think so, partially
> because, if something really needs immediate action 
 > [...]

I fail to understand or see the cases in which there is need for 
"immediate action". I would appreciate if one would describe it.

> But a WG
> Chair who pushes someone off a mailing list --or takes any of
> several other actions I think a WG Chair should be able to take
> on his or her own-- ought to expect to get fired if the AD later
> concludes that the judgments involved were excessively bad.
> 

Can you remind of any fired WG chair? I do not remember any, and I 
certainly do not expect a chair not being able to justify an abusive 
action within the boundaries of its powers.

> [...]Two final coments, lest I be accused about writing too-short
> notes :-(
> 

I worked hard to make it shorter :-)...

>  [...]  Down through the
> centuries, people and organizations have always discovered that
> open, everyone-talks-at-once, assemblies are a lousy way of
> getting anything done and, as a result, figured out some
> "leadership" selection mechanism. 
> [...] 
>       john
> 
> 

complemented by some checks and balances mechanisms, which the current 
mailing list remove rule I think is.

Alex
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