[mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower
"Robert Snively" <rsnively@Brocade.COM> Wed, 17 December 2003 21:00 UTC
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From: "Robert Snively" <rsnively@Brocade.COM>
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I have to agree with Alex's differentiation of two approaches, but I would like to attach a third alternative that has proven successful in the past. > I can understand an organization where the working group is a > superpower, with rules and procedures for cross-group review and > conflict resolution. I can understand an organization where the IESG > is the superpower, with rules and procedures to encourage WG work and > elect IESG. If current IETF is the second kind of an organization (and > it looks like that to me), are we not fooling ourselves with "troops" > arguments? It seems to me that we should either > > - relax and let IESG disperse its powers to Chairs > any way it seems fit; it should be within IESG > powers to do so if IESG already has powers of so > many more important aspects of WG work > > - remove superpowers from IESG and have a WG decide > on its Chair authority; leave IESG its current > final conflict resolution power. > > Both options have real-life precedence in other SDOs, of course. We > seem to be stuck trying to invent a third option that carefully draws > a line between effectively powerless WG and an effective IESG > superpower, with a Chair standing on that line. Such an option may not > exist. This third approach is also used by many SDOs. By maintaining absolute process supervision powers at a level equivalent to that of IESG, one could successfully disperse the technical review powers to a lower level (WG and below) during the development process and to a wide public during the superpower's process review period. The superpowers verify the process while the process, managed by working group chairs, demands and defines the required liaison and review activities. Chairs that don't require the process of their working group are guided toward correct behavior or removed by the superpower. Bob Snively 408-333-8135 _______________________________________________ mpowr mailing list mpowr@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpowr
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Robert Snively
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Alex Rousskov
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Robert Snively
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Alex Conta
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Alex Rousskov
- [mpowr] RE: [Solutions] Troops versus superpower Robert Snively
- [mpowr] process-only participation in WG [Troops … Pekka Savola
- [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG [Tro… Alex Conta
- [mpowr] Re: [Solutions] Re: process-only particip… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG … James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG … Pekka Savola
- Re: [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG … Alex Conta
- Re: [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG … James Kempf
- Re: [mpowr] Re: process-only participation in WG … Alex Conta