Re: [mpowr] Mailing List Management

James,

in my opinion Alex Conta and Scott Bradner are wrong.

There are cases where, for the good of the working group, a person should 
have his or her posting privilleges revoked - FAST - as on the order of a 
day or three.

This is NOT a free speech issue - it has to do with the ability of the IETF 
to conduct its work in an open and orderly fashion - BOTH open AND orderly.

For these cases, a simple procedure with 100% clarity on who makes the 
decision is needed - not a "three strikes and then wait another month" 
procedure, as any procedure involving the whole IESG is likely to be.

There are other cases where a person is highly disruptive but you have a 
hard time figuring out why it's disruptive or improper; there are still 
other cases where a valid, rational technical argument gradually descends 
into name-calling and truly improper conduct. There will always be 
borderline cases, and because there will be borderline cases, we need 
procedures for consultation, and we need procedures for appeal and review.

But there are cases where the WG chair needs to have this power, and needs 
to be able to apply it quickly.

The rabble-rousers of the world are free to rabble-rouse wherever they 
want. But no IETF participant should be obliged to listen.

                    Harald

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