Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) forward

Sean Turner <turners@ieca.com> Mon, 30 September 2013 15:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) forward
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For the record Brian has approached me about AD-sponsoring 
draft-weis-gdoi-iec62351-9-02.  I don't think it's actually an update of 
6407 it's more of here's how IEC 62351 would use RFC 6407.

After talking with Brian in Berlin, I have but one dilemma AD-sponsoring 
such a draft is that it is intended for proposed standard and as best I 
can tell there's been one review (thanks Steffan).  Knowing that the 
msec community in the IETF is pretty small this might be a tall order, 
but is there anybody else out there will to give it a review?  (cough, 
hint) Yoav, Vincent :)

spt

On 9/27/13 4:01 PM, William Atwood wrote:
> Actually, he is probably referring to the "6407 update draft", which is
> draft-weis-gdoi-iec62351-9-02.  This is an update to 6407 precisely to
> serve the IEC needs.  I suspect that the email is a plea for fast action
> on progressing draft-weis to RFC.
>
>    Bill
>
>
>
> On 27/09/2013 1:18 PM, Yoav Nir wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Just to be clear, there is no such thing as a "draft RFC". Drafts
>> become RFCs, at which point they're done. You may be referring to the
>> fact that RFC 6407 is labeled "proposed standard". This is a label
>> that the IETF attaches to documents for which there is relatively
>> little implementation experience. The label is not automatically
>> changed after a while. Even things that are widely implemented and
>> used by millions such as IKEv2 (RFC 5996), IPsec (RFC 4301), TLS (RFC
>> 5246), and HTTP (RFC 2616), without a doubt the most popular protocol
>> on the Internet) is at "draft standard" - a classification that does
>> not exist any more, but was below "full standard".
>>
>> I'm adding Sean Turner, the Security Area Director, because he's been
>> handling many similar requests recently.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Yoav
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2013, at 5:15 AM, Herb Falk <herb@sisconet.com
>> <mailto:herb@sisconet.com>> <Herb@sisconet.com
>> <mailto:Herb@sisconet.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> IEC TC57 WG10 (61850) and IEC TC57 WG15 (Security) has been
>>> developing a technology/standard for use as a secure multicast for
>>> its use in power grid applications using synchrophasors and other
>>> technologies relevant to smartgrid deployments globally.
>>> As part of the effort, some extensions to GDOI were identified. The
>>> 6407 draft incorporates and improves some of the enhancements already
>>> identified.  IEC TC57 WG15 is waiting for the draft RFC to transition
>>> to an RFC so it can be referenced as a normative standard in IEC 62351-9.
>>> There are several utility vendors and utilities, in particular SCE
>>> (Southern California Edison), that are awaiting this transition so
>>> that their cyber security frameworks can be updated.  Delays in the
>>> transition from draft to RFC will delay implementation of several
>>> projects and implementations.
>>> Herbert Falk
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