Re: [MSEC] Review comments, was RE: GDOI support for IEC 62351
Brian Weis <bew@cisco.com> Mon, 05 May 2014 16:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MSEC] Review comments, was RE: GDOI support for IEC 62351
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Hi Bill & Sandy, Thanks for this discussion. Because we so often pronounce "SPI" as "spy" I didn't even consider the case that someone might pronounce "es" "pea" "eye"! As Sandy points out, the RFC Editor will make the final decision. Brian On Apr 30, 2014, at 10:22 AM, William Atwood <william.atwood@concordia.ca> wrote: > Sandy, > > You have it completely right. > > The classic examples of this are the need to say "a AAA" and "a AAAA", > because "AAA" is pronounced (by the IETF community) as "Triple A", and > "AAAA" is pronounced as "Quad A". > > Bill > > On 30/04/2014 12:29 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote: >> >> On Apr 30, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Brian Weis <bew@cisco.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Vincent, >>> >>> Many thanks for your review. I've addressed them, with some notes inline. >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Vincent Roca <vincent.roca@inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> ** typo: >>>> represents a SPI => represents an SPI >>>> ^^ >>>> (there are many occurrences of "a SPI", is it volontary?) >>> >>> I double checked with some sources, and the general rule (at least for American English) is "a" before a consonant, and "an" before a vowel. There are a few special rules but "a before s" does not seem to be one of them. >>> >> >> This is probably an RFC Editor question, but the many references online say the difference is whether the following word starts with a vowel *sound*, not whether it is spelled with an initial vowel or consonant. >> >> https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/591/01/ >> The choice of article is actually based upon the phonetic (sound) quality of the first letter in a word, not on the orthographic (written) representation of the letter. If the first letter makes a vowel-type sound, you use "an"; if the first letter would make a consonant-type sound, you use "a." >> >> http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/a-versus-an?page=all >> The rule is that you use a before words that start with a consonant sound and an before words that start with a vowel sound (1)<<ref to Faigley, L. The Little Penguin Handbook. New York: Pearson Education. 2007, p. 255.>> >> >> There are also references to what to do before acronym - the difference is whether people ordinarily say the acronym by spelling out the acronym (FTP == "ef" "tea" "pea") or trying to pronounce it as a word (NAT == "nat"). >> >> http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2012/04/using-a-or-an-with-acronyms-and-abbreviations.html >> http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Abbreviations.html?old=Abbreviations_questions01.html >> http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/a.html >> >> So it depends on whether the community says "spy" when encountering SPI, or "es" "pea" "eye". >> >> And this nifty video, explaining the sound vs spelling distinction and also the Old English origins of the a/an distinction. >> >> http://www.merriam-webster.com/video/0029-an.htm >> >> --Sandy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MSEC mailing list >> MSEC@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec >> > > -- > Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 > Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 > Department of Computer Science > and Software Engineering > Concordia University EV 3.185 email:william.atwood@concordia.ca > 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill > Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 > > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec -- Brian Weis Security, Enterprise Networking Group, Cisco Systems Telephone: +1 408 526 4796 Email: bew@cisco.com
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