Re: [Mtgvenue] About draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Fri, 19 October 2018 06:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] About draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process
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I have received one response to this in public, and several in private,
all preferring referencing of the LLC.  Last call, please.  Especially
those who prefer retaining IASA.


On 18.10.18 10:31, Eliot Lear wrote:
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> On 17.10.18 21:48, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> 1) The effort is called IASA 2 for a reason. IASA 1 was based on the
>> IAD+IAOC structure. IASA 2 is based on the LLC structure. Who knows
>> what IASA 3 will be based on? I see no problem with using IASA as
>> the umbrella term.
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> Two questions – for everyone:
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>  1. Do you believe referencing the struct draft and using IASA is
>     easier or harder for the reader?
>  2. Should we block on the struct draft?
>  3. Could we reference the LLC page informationally and use the LLC?
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> Eliot
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