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Re: [Mtgvenue] About draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process

Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Fri, 19 October 2018 17:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] About draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process
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On 10/19/2018 2:53 AM, Eliot Lear wrote:
>
> I have received one response to this in public, and several in 
> private, all preferring referencing of the LLC.  Last call, please.  
> Especially those who prefer retaining IASA.
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> On 18.10.18 10:31, Eliot Lear wrote:
>>
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>> On 17.10.18 21:48, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>> 1) The effort is called IASA 2 for a reason. IASA 1 was based on the
>>> IAD+IAOC structure. IASA 2 is based on the LLC structure. Who knows
>>> what IASA 3 will be based on? I see no problem with using IASA as
>>> the umbrella term.
>>
>> Two questions – for everyone:
>>
>>  1. Do you believe referencing the struct draft and using IASA is
>>     easier or harder for the reader?
>>
I really don't care at this point, as it's a no-op  to me -- 
particularly as the LLC will likely delegate the role/function so LLC is 
no more "transparent" than IASA, just one less step of indirection.

>>  1. Should we block on the struct draft?
>>
for what purpose -- to describe LLC selection and removal? then yes, a 
normative reference is required.

if just to point to a description of the LLC.  This is an informative 
reference that, per IETF process, can point to a draft.
>>
>>  1. Could we reference the LLC page informationally and use the LLC?
>>
If you are looking for an informative reference, the draft is a better 
reference.  If looking for a normative reference, The IETF process 
doesn't support normative references to a web site.

Lou

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