Re: [Mtgvenue] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-15: (with COMMENT)

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On June 6, 2018 at 6:27:22 PM, Pete Resnick (



Just insisting a little bit more on consistent terminology...

On 6 Jun 2018, at 11:35 <http://airmail.calendar/2018-06-06 11:35:00 EDT>,
Alvaro Retana wrote:


(1) The term "participant" is used in several places, sometimes with
modifiers; for example: active, IETF and regular. Some of the phrases seem
want to differentiate between them, but that distinction is not clear (for
example): "in order to spread the difficulty and cost of travel among active
participants, balancing travel time and expense across the regions in which
IETF participants are based." What is the difference between active and IETF

Note that "attendee" is also used, in my interpretation, to also mean
"participant". Is that the intent, or is there a difference?

Clarifying and being consistent would help. I don't think that a terminology
section is needed -- I just want to probe whether the terms were
on purpose, and, if so, to understand what that differentiation may be.

We'll give these a scrub to make sure they're consistent. My take is:

Your take sounds fine to me, and it is about the same as my own.  However,
the real point here is that we shouldn’t leave this up to interpretation.
While many/most people involved in the selection may interpret the text the
same way as you or me, we don’t have certainty that the interpretation
won’t change over time.


   "IETF participants" is simply "participants" and, the "IETF" bit should
   simply be removed.

   The "where we meet" section mentions "active" participants because we
   want meetings near people who are currently contributing participants.

You added a new modifier in the explanation: “contributing"…but that is not
what that section says anyway.  The text is: "We meet in different
locations globally, in order to spread the difficulty and cost of travel
among active participants, balancing travel time and expense across the
regions in which IETF participants are based.”  The balancing is to be done
where “IETF participants” live, not where “active participants” do (which I
interpret to be the contributing ones).


   The "least astonishment" section mentions "regular" participants because
   we want people who regularly follow or contribute to work to be able to
   easily discover information.

   "Attendees" are people who actually show up at a meeting. "Participants"
   are people who participate in the IETF (whether in person or
   electronically) who might want to show up at a meeting.