Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-04
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 30 January 2017 15:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-04
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Hiya, On 30/01/17 15:34, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 1/30/2017 4:45 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> So how about emphasising more that this section is a guideline >> that's expected to evolve, that what's listed here is the >> current practice (assuming it is) and that the IAOC may change >> this but must publish their changes and follow community >> consensus on such changes (as evaluated by the IESG)? > > > Stephen, > > A number of your suggestions show this kind of basis: Things might > change and we should say something about that. > > In specification-writing terms, this has no utility. > > There is nothing that we can /do/ with such text. It is, therefore, > cruft. We need to mitigate against cruft that makes the writer feel > better (and maybe even the reader) but has no actual utility. > > The issue is not that such text is wrong but that it has no effect. > Everything can change. Most things will. Eventually. Adding generic > text about this universal truth is entertainment, not specification. Hmm, that's not very well phrased, from this reader's perspective. (It reads as fairly condescending to me.) In any case, I disagree about section 5 - my suggestion has the substantive statement that the IAOC would publish the ways in which they're diverging from the text there and that the community get to say what they/we think of that. You may consider that solely a form of entertainment, I do not. Absent such a statement I think we would still need some way to ensure that section 5's text doesn't turn into another of those things that we say but no longer do after some time has elapsed. Cheers, S. > > d/
- [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-v… Stephen Farrell
- [Mtgvenue] Not a nit: comments on draft-ietf-mtgv… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Not a nit: comments on draft-ietf-… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Lou Berger
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Not a nit: comments on draft-ietf-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Lou Berger
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Stephen Farrell
- [Mtgvenue] Accessibility: (was Re: comments on dr… Dave Crocker
- [Mtgvenue] Priority order: (was: Re: comments on … Dave Crocker
- [Mtgvenue] business travel: (was: Re: comments on… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Mtgvenue] business travel: and Accessibility: Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Priority order: Eliot Lear
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Priority order: Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Mary Barnes
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Priority order: Eliot Lear
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Mtgvenue] business travel: Brian E Carpenter
- [Mtgvenue] Food (was: Re: comments on draft-ietf-… Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Food Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Food Dave Crocker
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Food Mary Barnes
- [Mtgvenue] Emergency cancellation [was: comments … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Emergency cancellation [was: comme… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Mtgvenue] comments on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-ia… Eliot Lear
- [Mtgvenue] Closing on comments to section 5 (was:… Lou Berger
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Closing on comments to section 5 Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Mtgvenue] Closing on comments to section 5 Charles Eckel (eckelcu)