Re: [Mtgvenue] Adam Roach's Yes on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-15: (with COMMENT)

Eliot Lear <> Wed, 06 June 2018 05:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Adam Roach's Yes on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-15: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Adam,

(Editor hat)

It's hard when we have a lot of moving parts to try to nail down terms
like IASA.  Indeed the document used to have far more detail.  The one
term we really couldn't get rid of, though, was IASA itself.  We could
have run with "either IASA or its succeeding entities", but honestly it
begins to sound a bit like "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince".

The choice, then, was to say that it is up to iasa2.0 to produce
documents that address this point.


On 06.06.18 06:06, Adam Roach wrote:
> Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-15: Yes
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> Thanks to everyone who worked on this document.
> I agree with Spencer's concern that this document is tightly tied to the current
> IASA structure, which is under revision at the moment. I think it would be an
> improvement to describe, in more general terms, the entity responsible for
> selecting venues, with a single note early in the document that the entity
> currently in that role is the IASA.
> I also have a handful of editorial nits that the authors may wish to address.
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> Please expand "IASA" in the Abstract, assuming it remains in the Abstract.
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> Abstract:
>>  It directs the IASA to make available additional process
>>  documents around that describe the current meeting selection process.
> I'm having a really hard time parsing this sentence. It seems to make sense if
> you remove "around".
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> §2.1:
>>     criteria below, one mandatory and others important, to allow for
>>     the case where local laws may require filtering in some
>>     circumstances.[MeetingNet]
> It's not clear what "[MeetingNet]" is doing here. Perhaps some explanatory text
> about what the reader can expect to find at that reference would be useful.
> In any case, consider putting a space before the opening bracket.