Re: [Mtgvenue] visa situation... worsens?
Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> Fri, 24 March 2017 21:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] visa situation... worsens?
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Here is some hard data. An annual African Development Conference in Southern California that normally has a 40% visa rejection rate among those trying to attend who are from Africa this year had a 100% visa rejection rate. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/african-development-summit-univerrsity-southern-california-cancelled-african-delegates-denied-us-a7637696.html Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote: >> The W3C WebPayments WG is presently holding a two-day face-to-face interim >> meeting in Chicago, with approximately 40 people in attendance. According to >> the responsible W3C staff member, we had one person who was interested in >> attending but could not due to visa issues; however, in that specific case, >> the problem in obtaining a visa was due solely to timing rather than any >> recent US policy changes (i.e., the person would have had exactly the same >> problem one year ago). >> >> Sample size of 40 is admittedly small; but based on this data set, the >> number of participants affected by the recent policy US visa changes >> resolves to 0%. The number of people impacted by chronic, ongoing US visa >> process is 1 in ~40. > > Not wanting to nitpick but it might be that a majority of participants > in that group might be from the US/EU and not from Latam/Asia/Africa. > It might be more useful if the split is known. Also it is possibly > that the people in the latter category already had visas. > > There a couple more points I would like to elucidate > 1. You also do not want to be treated like a criminal when you travel > (thanks to colour of your skin or funny sounding last names). Being > treated with dignity is important. The current US administration > policies (no laptops/electronics on board some airlines - except > cellphones or asking for social media profiles at the immigration > counter) are discriminatory. > > 2. Many people will also not bother applying if the hassle is a lot. > In many places it costs upward of ~$250 to apply for the visa and file > the documentation. I had posted about cost earlier to mtgvenue (the > message is about BA but for US the costs are similar). You forfeit the > fee if you don't get a visa. If you don't have a good chance of > getting it, you rather not apply. > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mtgvenue/current/msg00083.html > > -- Vinayak > > _______________________________________________ > Mtgvenue mailing list > Mtgvenue@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mtgvenue
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