Re: [Mtgvenue] [admin-discuss] Consultation on IETF Meeting venue assessment

Eliot Lear <> Fri, 05 February 2021 07:46 UTC

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:46:34 +0100
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Hi Jay

> On 5 Feb 2021, at 05:17, Jay Daley <> wrote:
> [Wheel chair accessibility is] not included because it’s something we can only properly assess by discussion with a specific venue or site visit and so not appropriate for this step, which is a remote non-contact assessment.

Ok, I now understand.  And we intentionally did not want to specify timing, so long as this stuff is evaluated prior to committing.  We started down that road and realized we were micromanaging.

> ... it sounds as if you are saying that we should consider the general level of crime/safety but we should not check that two specific segments of attendees, women and LGBT people, are equally as safe as heterosexual men (or ignore that information if brought to our attention)?

I apologize.  My note could have been better formed.

The principle is this: will it impact our participants or operations?  If yes, then you should take it into account.  If no, then you should not.  It should go without saying that LGBTQ+ participants deserve the same safety and security consideration as others.

A country’s overall HR posture often entails matters that do not impact our participants. When we decide on that basis, we are making a political statement; and that is a non-objective.