Re: [Mtgvenue] Martin Vigoureux's Yes on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-15: (with COMMENT)
Pete Resnick <presnick@qti.qualcomm.com> Fri, 08 June 2018 16:54 UTC
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From: Pete Resnick <presnick@qti.qualcomm.com>
To: Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>
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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Martin Vigoureux's Yes on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-15: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Martin, Well, that's a fraught question. "Race" is a deeply complicated and somewhat problematic word (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization) for some of the controversies), but since the term is still widely used in law and public policy, I think it's reasonable to use it here. The distinction usually made is that race involves visible physical attributes associated with a particular ethnicity or national origin, whether or not the person in question is actually of that ethnicity or national origin. pr On 6 Jun 2018, at 18:24, Martin Vigoureux wrote: > Hello Pete, > > many thanks for your answer. > So, maybe it's only a language barrier. What is the definition of race > in this document? > > Thank you > martin > > > Le 2018-06-05 à 21:47, Pete Resnick a écrit : >> Hi Martin, >> >> Thanks for the comment. >> >> Just so we have the context, here's the text in section 2.1: >> >> |2. Avoid meeting in countries with laws that effectively exclude >> people on the basis of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, >> national origin, citizenship, or gender identity. | >> >> In some contexts, "race" is not completely contained in "ethnicity" >> (sometimes also called "ethnic origin"), and certainly not >> vice-versa. The UN Office of the High Commissioner on Human Rights >> uses both terms in their definition: >> >> "Human rights are rights inherent to all human beings, whatever our >> nationality, place of residence, sex, national or ethnic origin, >> colour, religion, language, or any other status." >> >> "The principle applies to everyone in relation to all human rights >> and freedoms and it prohibits discrimination on the basis of a list >> of non-exhaustive categories such as sex, race, colour and so on." >> >> http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Pages/WhatareHumanRights.aspx >> >> I've seen other formulations of the list. I don't think there's a >> problem to add "ethnicity" to the list in this document. >> >> pr >> >> On 5 Jun 2018, at 7:41, Martin Vigoureux wrote: >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Hello, >> >> please forgive me for raising the following point, especially >> because I haven't >> participated in nor followed the discussions on that draft, but I >> would much >> prefer if "ethnicity" was used instead of "race". >> >> Martin >>
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