Re: [Mtgvenue] Open issue: legal discrimination based on status/identity

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 27/01/2017 10:42, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 1/26/2017 12:41 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
>> The "Inclusiveness" item in section 2.1 has received some
>> discussion but not real resolution.  To try to bring it
>> to closure I'd like to ask if people feel what's in there
>> is sufficient to provide guidance to the IAOC 1) in the case
>> where a country implements an entrance ban on travelers
>> from particular countries, and 2) in a case like the Singapore
>> meeting, where there are highly discriminatory laws on the
>> books that may be loosely enforced.  If you don't feel
>> it is sufficient to address those cases, please propose
>> text.  And again, this is to provide guidance to the IAOC.
> 
> 
> And to save folk the lookup effort, the -04 text on this is:
> 
>> 2.  Venue Selection Objectives
>>
>> 2.1.  Core Values
>>
>>    Some IETF values pervade the selection process.  These often are
>>    applicable to multiple requirements listed in this document.  They
>>    are not limited to the following, but at minimum include:
> ...
>>    Inclusiveness:
>>       We would like to facilitate the onsite or remote participation of
>>       anyone who wants to be involved.
>>
>>       Every country has limits on who it will permit within its borders.
>>       However the IETF seeks to:
>>
>>       1.  Minimize situations in which onerous entry regulations prevent
>>           participants from attending meetings, or failing that to
>>           distribute meeting locations such that onerous entry
>>           regulations are not always experienced by the same attendees
>>
>>       2.  Avoid meeting in countries with laws that effectively exclude
>>           people on the basis of race, religion, gender, sexual
>>           orientation, national origin, or gender identity

I may be repeating myself, but I think this text is both necessary and
sufficient. In particular I support the word "effectively" because it
allows for a pragmatic judgment call by the IAOC.

    Brian