Re: [Mtgvenue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process-14.txt

Mary Barnes <> Thu, 10 May 2018 20:35 UTC

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You were positing that meeting in cold climates in winter would reduce the
potential for indoor mold.  That isn't the case and your notion that humid
climates mean more buildings with indoor mold is a misperception. You only
have to look at the list of the worst states for indoor mold in homes to
know that's the case:  - only 2 of the
top 10 states are places where one would consider there to be excess
humidity.  And, as I noted previously, one of the states (Nevada) is one of
the driest states in the US and I found a hotel there with really bad mold
issues.  It's NOT the outdoor climate that causes the problem nearly as
much as it is building design and maintenance.

And, btw, your humidifier that you might use in the winter in a dry indoor
climate itself can be a source of mold.  And, a poorly ventilated shower
room in ANY climate can introduce mold issues.  You are really missing that
the outdoor air has minimal impact on indoor air quality, in particular
given the fact the energy efficient building practices that actually make
the problem worse. In many cases in the US, a 100 year old house on average
has a far better air quality than one built in the 1980s.

It continues to amaze me after 20 years of IETF discussions how those with
no experience in a particular area posit that they know just as much as
those that have extensive experience and training (I have CMEs from
conferences dealing with mold issues - both the buildings and the


On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Ole Jacobsen <> wrote:

> I am not sure what you are disagreeing about: humidity often leads to
> mold, dry air less so. Condensation, leaky windows, etc, etc, all are the
> result of "too much water" indoors (from the air generally speaking). I
> never said colder climates don't have mold, I did say it is almost
> guaranteed in high-humidity environs, UNLESS you can really control the
> climate in the room/building which would include dehumidifiers etc.
> Such systems are rare!
> Ole J. Jacobsen
> Editor & Publisher
> The Internet Protocol Journal
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