Re: [Mtgvenue] Martin Vigoureux's Yes on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-meeting-policy-06: (with COMMENT)

Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> Wed, 06 June 2018 23:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Martin Vigoureux's Yes on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-meeting-policy-06: (with COMMENT)
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Hello Suresh,

thanks for your feedback.
I could live with the new text, but I am still a bit unclear on how 
things would work (and I think that somehow echoes Alvaro's question).
Who initiates the idea and how?
Is it the community saying to TBD: "we want to go to Sydney"
Is it IASA/IETF Chair/IESG/... which asks the community: "do you want to 
go Sydney?"

Thanks
-m

Le 2018-06-06 à 7:38, Suresh Krishnan a écrit :
> Hi Martin,
>    Thanks for the comment. Please find response inline.
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote:
>>
>> Martin Vigoureux has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-mtgvenue-meeting-policy-06: Yes
>>
>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
>> introductory paragraph, however.)
>>
>>
>> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
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>>
>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
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>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> COMMENT:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am not sure to understand what that sentence means (might simply because I'm
>> not a native English reader):
>>    The exploratory meeting proposals will be initiated based on
>>    community consent.
>>
>> If the proposals are *initiated* based on community consent, what has the
>> community effectively consented to?
> 
> The intent was that the community has consented to the IESG to take further steps (go and ask the IASA) to determine if the proposal can be realistically implemented. I do have a text change suggestion based on a comment I resolved during IETF Last call. Does the following rewording clarify things?
> 
> OLD:
>     The exploratory meeting proposals will be initiated based on
>     community consent.  After such a proposal is initiated the IESG will
>     make a decision in consultation with the Internet Administrative
>     Support Activity (IASA) to ensure that the proposal can be
>     realistically implemented.
> 
> NEW:
>     The timing and frequency of future exploratory meetings will be based
>     on IETF consensus as determined by the IETF chair. Once a meeting
>     proposal is initiated, the IESG will make a decision in consultation with
>     the Internet Administrative Support Activity (IASA) to ensure that the
>     proposal can be realistically implemented.
> 
> And I will also remove the first sentence “The timing…” from the end of the section since it will become redundant.
> 
> Thanks
> Suresh
>