Re: [Mtgvenue] Visa problems to Thailand -- tourism vs ED

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 10 September 2018 20:26 UTC

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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Visa problems to Thailand -- tourism vs ED
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On 2018-09-11 03:22, Eliot Lear wrote:
> Gents,
> 
> We already have words in there that very much would address the concerns
> you are raising:
> 
>>    o  Travel barriers to entry, including visa requirements, are likely
>>       to be such that an overwhelming majority of participants who wish
>>       to do so can attend.  The term "travel barriers" is to be read
>>       broadly by the IASA in the context of whether a successful meeting
>>       can be had.
> 
> We specifically added that last sentence to make clear to the IASA and
> successors that ANYTHING that poses a barrier should be considered. 
> That includes confusion about the visa process, if it turns out to have
> been insurmountable to more than a handful of people.
> 
> Also,we are well past the approval stage, and the editor will make no
> substantial changes without firm direction from the AD.  Because the
> IAOC is highly sensitive to this document I will take a very
> conservative view even toward editorial changes, as I have in the past.

Well understood. I wouldn't go to the barriers on this one, because
the existing text already obliges IASA to look at this issue.

    Brian