Re: [Mtgvenue] Disposition of the group

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Thu, 05 March 2020 19:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Disposition of the group
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Hi Alissa,

For sure we need the mailing list.  I don’t think we need the WG.  At least not yet.

We need some running code, and so we should be conservative about reopening those documents too quickly.  This having been said, as you know, I’ve been somewhat interested in figuring out new modalities for meetings, or at least getting data to have the discussion.  Part of that was environment, part of that was effectiveness.  I don’t think any of us really considered the situation we are in today, and perhaps in April we will have a better idea as to whether additional process would be helpful.   Well, really you, Jay and the leadership will have war stories to tell us.

An AI now rests with Jay on this to collect some data, and as I recall, there was another AI in which he would hire someone to help (but my memory could be faulty).  It may be premature for this group to engage with that person.  If my memory is correct, then perhaps we have to wait a few months, presumably until after Madrid, before even beginning to have the discussion about what we can reasonably consider improving.

Eliot

> On 5 Mar 2020, at 20:01, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The two deliverables for this group have been published: RFC 8718 and RFC 8719. Thanks to everyone who contributed.
> 
> At this point we could close the group. If we do that, I think we should keep the mailing list open. Or we could keep the group open in case people want to propose updates to the documents in the future. Or we could talk about a re-charter if there are other related work items people want to pursue. Please share your thoughts about the disposition of the group.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alissa
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