Re: [Mtgvenue] Updated potential meeting location list

Michael Richardson <> Sun, 23 February 2020 22:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Updated potential meeting location list
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John C Klensin <> wrote:
    > * A very quick search yields the information that there are
    > non-stop flights from MSP to Amsterdam, London, Paris,
    > Reykjavik, and Tokyo, in addition to multiple locations in the
    > Caribbean, Mexico, and Belize (North American on my map but
    > maybe not in all definitions).  That is several more than "no
    > direct flights outside..." and several more than several North
    > American cities listed as "suitable".  Or perhaps Minneapolis is
    > being confused with, e.g., Austin or Ottawa, neither of which
    > has non-North American flights to anywhere but London but both
    > of which are "suitable".

I was very confused by the statement about no-direct flights to MSP.
(None from Ottawa, for me, but that's because Ottawa is definitely not
suitable... in a dozen different ways. Frankly, Ottawa shouldn't even have
it's own airport.)

    > * The risk of getting snowed in is indeed, a reason to avoid
    > Minneapolis.

Actually, if you are worried about getting snowed in (**specifically**), a
place that gets snow regularly (like Minneapolis or Ottawa or Calgary) is far
less likely to blink than places like Toronto or NYC, where they don't deal
with it every week :-)
Of course, we could go to MSP in July.

I am for what John said: we have been to at least 50 different cities since
IETF30, which I'll arbitrarily say was when we outgrew university campuses,
(IETF36 was my first, in LA).  And while I'm sure that we can name 10 meeting
locations (not, cities, but specific locations) which we can all agree were
terrible, that leaves around  40 locations for which we have non-trivial
amount of experience with.

Jim Martin was my manager for about 15 months, and I observed how much
new-location scouting he did for the IETF.  Does it need to be done?
Of course.   Do we need to check out 3-4 new locations/year?  I don't know.
Should we attempt to amortize all the planning by returning two or three
times over 5-6 years?  I think so, provided we can do the conditional parts

Michael Richardson <>ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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