Re: [Mtgvenue] Issue #21: unfiltered should be mandatory
Ole Jacobsen <olejacobsen@me.com> Wed, 19 April 2017 17:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] Issue #21: unfiltered should be mandatory
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"...VPNs need to be OK, and access to anything that would be business-relevant..." I agree on the concept, the problem is that this is a dynamic environment with lots of variables and "tools" deployed in various ways to block, intercept, maximize revenue, etc by various parties. Thus, I think this is classic example of where the document needs to be less specific and more generic along the lines of "...deemed to be sufficiently open and of sufficient capacity for normal IETF business activities..." Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Docomo: 090 3337-9311 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com
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