FDDI-Ether bridges
mogul (Jeffrey Mogul) Fri, 01 December 1989 23:12 UTC
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From: mogul (Jeffrey Mogul)
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Date: 1 Dec 1989 1512-PST (Friday)
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Subject: FDDI-Ether bridges
Arggh. Let's recognize this for what it is: a data-link layer problem. IP MTU Discovery is (and I'm putting on my chairperson's hat) a network layer issue. How the individual hosts and gateways determine the MTU of the subnets to which they are connected should not be solved by an IP-layer protocol Ok, so maybe we have to think about this problem anyway. I don't suppose that it's productive to say that people who try to bridge Ether and FDDI are brain-dead, so I won't. Let's suppose that FDDI uses something like ARP (I don't know enough about FDDI to verify this). What we need is for the ARP entry for each local (same-subnet) host to be marked with the usable MTU for that hop. For Ethernet hosts, that's easy: it's always 1500, even if the other end is really FDDI. And (as if by magic) you don't have to change a single byte of code, since Ethernet hosts already assume an Ethernet MTU (duh). OK, so the FDDI hosts have to do something smarter. Perhaps we need to run a modified ARP on the FDDI side that communicates the data-link layer MTU along with the addressing info. Call this ARP+. Here is where the translucent bridges come in. Whenever they see an ARP+ packet goes between an Ethernet and an FDDI net, the bridge has to translate the protocols and (on the FDDI side) supply an MTU of 1500. This solution doesn't generalize if there are more than two MTUs in the bridged LAN, unless we change everyone to run ARP+ and use the translucent bridges to adjust the MTUs in the ARP+ packets as necessary. Have I convinced people that the FDDI-Ethernet issue is separable? -Jeff
- FDDI-Ether bridges Jeffrey Mogul
- Re: FDDI-Ether bridges Steve Deering