Re: [Mud] how to increase trust in MUD URL

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 23 January 2020 05:38 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mud] how to increase trust in MUD URL
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Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
    > On Jan 22, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
    >> It seems that it ought to just post an "empty" (no ACLs) mud file in that
    >> case.  But, then we wind up with a bunch of tombstones.

    > Why is that bad?

It's not bad in of itself, except that sometimes clutter gets cleaned up.

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