Re: [multimob] I-D Action: draft-ietf-multimob-pmipv6-source-04.txt

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On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com> wrote:

> On 10/1/2013 11:58 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
>
>> You mean a certain implementation has somehow foreseen these and acting
>> like this?
>>
>
> No, it's per 4601,
>
>
Where in this 150 page document?

A lot of people say PIM-BIDIR, RFC 5015, 43 pages, is better.

Regards,

Behcet

> Stig
>
>  Otherwise you need to provide references.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Behcet
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com
>> <mailto:stig@venaas.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi
>>
>>
>>     On 9/30/2013 1:37 PM, Thomas C. Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Stig,
>>
>>         you're the PIM expert ... however, your statements confuse me.
>>
>>         Event though the discussion does not matter to the source draft,
>>         I would
>>         like to clarify. Please see inline.
>>
>>         On 30.09.2013 21:19, Stig Venaas wrote:
>>
>>             Hi
>>
>>             On 9/30/2013 5:08 AM, Thomas C. Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>                 Dear Cong Liu,
>>
>>                 thanks for your feedback - please see inline.
>>
>>                 On 30.09.2013 08:47, Cong Liu wrote:
>>
>>                     Regarding this draft, I have the following comments
>>                     for consideration.
>>
>>                     P14: "This tree can be of lesser routing efficiency
>>                     than the PIM source
>>                     register tunnel established in phase one, but
>>                     provides the advantage of
>>                     immediate data delivery to receivers that share a
>>                     MAG with S."
>>                     - This sentence implicitly indicates that local
>>                     receivers sharing a MAG
>>                     with S cannot receive immediate multicast traffic
>>                     from the S in phase
>>                     one. In my opinion, even in phase one, the MAG
>>                     acting as the DR has the
>>                     related multicast state so that immediate data
>>                     delivery is possible. If
>>                     so, the sentence here is not appropriate.
>>
>>
>>                 This sentence actually refers to the building of an
>>                 (S,G)-Tree at the
>>                 end of PIM phase II. This tree follows reverse unicast
>>                 routes and thus
>>                 traverses the LMA-MAG tunnel - this is why it may be of
>>                 lower efficiency
>>                 than the forward (register) tunnel in phase I.
>>
>>                 What you are referring to is the question of
>>                 source-local traffic
>>                 distribution in PIM phase I. According to the way I
>>                 understand  PIM-SM,
>>                 it does not distribute source-specific traffic locally
>>                 in Phase I. This
>>                 is because a local source S generates an (S,G)-State at
>>                 the sender's
>>                 local router (DR), but a receiver in ASM requires an
>>                 (*,G) service.
>>
>>
>>             Traffic is distributed locally independent of the
>>             registration process.
>>             I assume you're talking about a source on one interface, and
>>             receivers
>>             on other interfaces on the same router? In that case for ASM
>>             (receivers
>>             joining a group, not specific sources), there would already be
>>             (*,G)-join state, and packets from the source would both be
>>             forwarded
>>             on the joined interfaces and sent as PIM registers.
>>
>>
>>         Mhmm ... this would mean that you have two feeds into the
>>         distribution
>>         tree: One rooted at the source (valid for local receivers), and
>> one
>>         rooted at the RP - at this stage, we are still in phase I.
>>
>>
>>     If you're receiving packets from the source you're already on the
>>     SPT and prune the source from the shared tree.
>>
>>
>>                 If (S,G) traffic were distributed locally, then the
>>                 required (*,G)-Join
>>                 to the RP would cause duplicate (S,G) traffic arriving
>>                 at the
>>                 source-local receiver.
>>
>>
>>             No, that shouldn't happen.
>>
>>
>>         How do you exclude? In phase I, all traffic is tunneled to the
>>         RP and
>>         the "path" from source to RP is not visible to the multicast
>>         distribution system. The DR of the receiver, which happens to be
>>         the DR
>>         of one of the sources, would just initiate an (*,G) join towards
>>         the RP
>>         ... and all traffic tunneled to the RP would be distributed down
>>         to the
>>         receivers.
>>
>>
>>     It would send a (*,G)-join with an (S,G) RPT prune.
>>
>>
>>         Thus traffic from the (local) source would reach the (local) DR
>>         and the
>>         receiver twice ????
>>
>>                 Looking at the spec in Section 3.1 of RFC4601:
>>
>>                     "At the end of phase one, multicast traffic is flowing
>>                 encapsulated to
>>                      the RP, and then natively over the RP tree to the
>>                 multicast
>>                 receivers."
>>
>>
>>             That is sort of the general picture, but any receivers
>>             connected to the
>>             first hop router (and also later any routers on the path
>>             from the FHR to
>>             the RP) would receive packets before this.
>>
>>
>>         I guess not: If multicast packets are tunneled in source register
>>         packets, how can an intermediate router distribute them locally? I
>>         suppose you are talking about PIM phase II, aren't you?
>>
>>
>>     There are no strict phases like that.
>>
>>     FHR would create (S,G)-state when the first packet arrives. The (S,G)
>>     would have outgoing interfaces inherited from the (*,G) if there are
>>     local receivers that joined G. In addition it sends registers.
>>
>>     Later when the RP joins the SPT to receive packets natively (not
>>     registers), you would create (S,G)-state and start receiving packets
>>     on routers between FHR and the RP. Also these would immediately
>>     send packets to local receivers (and pruning the source off the RPT),
>>     rather than waiting to receive packets on the RPT.
>>
>>     Stig
>>
>>
>>         Cheers,
>>
>>         Thomas
>>
>>
>>                     Some nits:
>>                     1) The term "MLD proxy" and "MLD Proxy" should be
>>                     unified as MLD proxy
>>                     or MLD Proxy
>>                     2) P14: This tree can be of lesser routing efficiency
>>                     - This tree can be of less routing efficiency
>>
>>
>>                 Thanks, it's fixed.
>>
>>                 Best regards,
>>
>>                 Thomas
>>
>>                     Thanks!
>>
>>                     Best Regards,
>>                     Cong Liu
>>
>>
>>                     2013/9/30 Thomas C. Schmidt
>>                     <schmidt@informatik.haw-__**hamburg.de<schmidt@informatik.haw-__hamburg.de>
>>                     <mailto:schmidt@informatik.**haw-hamburg.de<schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de>
>> >
>>                     <mailto:schmidt@informatik.__h**aw-hamburg.de<http://haw-hamburg.de>
>>
>>                     <mailto:schmidt@informatik.**haw-hamburg.de<schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de>
>> >>>
>>
>>                          Hi Dirk,
>>
>>                          thanks again for your detailed comments. Please
>>                     see replies inline.
>>
>>                          On 26.08.2013 18 <tel:26.08.2013%2018>:29,
>>                     Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de
>>                     <mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.**de<Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>
>> >
>>                          <mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.**__de
>>
>>                     <mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.**de<Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>                              As promised at IETF-87 I did a review of
>>                     the source multicast
>>                              mobility draft and think the document is in
>>                     quite good shape.
>>
>>                              Being not the distinct expert in details of
>>                     multicast protocols
>>                              I am not sure to have understood everything
>>                     in detail, so
>>                     please
>>                              correct me and forgive misunderstandings ...
>>
>>                              The three scenarios described are
>>                              1) the base solution with MLD proxies at
>>                     MAGs (and optionally
>>                              also at LMAs) (sect.3)
>>                              2) direct routing with or without MLD
>>                     proxies at MAGs and with
>>                              native Multicast support at MAG level or
>>                     above via different
>>                              established Multicast protocols (sect.4)
>>                              3) Routing optimization for direct routing
>>                     with MLD proxies at
>>                              MAGs (sect. 5)
>>                              Right?
>>
>>
>>                          Yes, this is it.
>>
>>                              IMHO from the abstract this is not easily
>>                     to see.
>>
>>
>>                          We have adjusted the abstract. In any case, it
>>                     explicitly addresses
>>                          (enumerates) the three scenarios mentioned abobe.
>>
>>                              I have some comments and suggestions to
>>                     increase
>>                     readability, in
>>                              addition to some nits found, given in the
>>                     following:
>>
>>                              Fig. 1, fig.3 to be placed on single pages
>>                     to simplify
>>                     readability.
>>
>>
>>                          This is a fine-tuning that shall be done with
>>                     the RFC-editor. In
>>                     the
>>                          process of RFC-editing, the boilerplate will
>>                     change and so will the
>>                          positioning of floating text and figures.
>>
>>                              Consistently use re-attach and
>>                     re-distribute _or_ reattach and
>>                              redistribute, respectively, throughout
>>                     document.
>>                              Is there any implicit meaning of Proxy with
>>                     respect to proxy?
>>                              Also MLD Proxy and MLD proxy are both used
>>                     throughout the
>>                              document ...
>>
>>
>>                          Thanks ... this should be corrected, now.
>>
>>
>>                              p.1
>>                                   optimizations for synchronizing PMIPv6
>>                     with PIM, as
>>                     well as
>>                              a peering
>>                                   function for MLD Proxies defined.
>>                              =>   optimizations for synchronizing PMIPv6
>>                     with PIM, as
>>                     well as
>>                              a peering
>>                                   function for MLD Proxies are defined.
>>
>>
>>                          Thanks, corrected.
>>
>>                              p.3
>>                              Such approaches (partially) follow the
>>                                   business model of providing multicast
>>                     data services in
>>                              parallel to
>>                                   PMIPv6 unicast routing.
>>                              ==> shouldn't one or more references be
>>                     added here such as to
>>                              [I-D.ietf-multimob-pmipv6-____**ropt],
>>
>>                     draft-ietf-multimob-fmipv6-___**_pfmipv6-multicast,
>>
>>                     draft-ietf-multimob-handover-_**___optimization  ...?
>>
>>
>>
>>                          Yes, good point: It's added now.
>>
>>                              needs of receptive use cases
>>                              => needs of applications for mobile
>>                     multicast reception of
>>                              content from few and mainly fixed content
>>                     sources
>>
>>                              p.5
>>
>>                              A multicast unaware MAG would simply
>>                     discard these packets in
>>                                   the absence of a multicast routing
>>                     information base
>>                     (MRIB).
>>                              ==> shouldn't one add more information
>>                     about MRIBs introduced
>>                              here for non-multicast aware readers such
>>                     as: Such tables
>>                              similar to MFIBs mentioned in RFC 6224
>>                     ensure that the
>>                     router is
>>                              able to correctly route/forward packets
>>                     with multicast
>>                     addresses
>>                              as destinations .
>>
>>
>>                          O.K. - we've added a brief explanatory insert
>>                     ... even though I
>>                          believe that a mulitcast unaware reader will
>>                     not succeed in taking
>>                          profit from this document ;)
>>
>>
>>                              In case of a handover, the MN (unaware of
>>                     IP mobility)
>>                              => In case of a handover, the MN (being
>>                     unaware of IP mobility)
>>
>>
>>                          O.K., fixed.
>>
>>                              as soon as network connectivity is
>>                                   reconfigured
>>                              => as soon as network connectivity is
>>                                   re-established
>>
>>                          O.K., fixed.
>>
>>
>>                              p.7
>>                              multicast data is => multicast data are
>>
>>
>>                          Mhmm, my dictionary says "data is" ... "data"
>>                     is a singular term
>>                          that subsumes (uncountable) plural ...
>>
>>
>>                              p.8
>>                              In addition, an LMA serving as PIM
>>                     Designated Router is
>>                     connected
>>                              =>  In addition, an LMA serving as PIM
>>                     Designated Router
>>                     (DR) is
>>                              connected
>>
>>
>>                          O.K., fixed.
>>
>>                              incoming interface validation is only
>>                     performed by RPF
>>                                   checks
>>                              => incoming interface validation is only
>>                     performed by RPF
>>                              (Reverse Path Forwarding)
>>                                   checks
>>
>>
>>                          O.K., fixed.
>>
>>                              Notably, running BIDIR PIM [RFC5015] on
>>                     LMAs remains robust
>>                     with
>>                                   respect to source location and does
>>                     not require special
>>                                   configurations or state management for
>>                     sources.
>>                              ==> Wouldn't it make sense to add a reason
>>                     for this, e.g.
>>                              ... since BIDIR PIM automatically builds
>>                     trees to allow
>>                              multicast data to be natively forwarded
>>                     from sources to
>>                              receivers without requiring source-specific
>>                     information ...
>>                              On the other hand a reference to sect. 4.4
>>                     might be perhaps
>>                              misleading here since this section is not
>>                     on direct multicast
>>                              routing?!
>>
>>
>>                          This is about the nature of BIDIR-PIM. The
>>                     reason for this property
>>                          is the bidirectional use of a static (=
>>                     source-independent)
>>                     spanning
>>                          tree ... but explaining the ideas behind
>>                     BIDIR-PIM may really go
>>                     too
>>                          far here ... if readers haven't heard about
>>                     BIDIR-PIM, the should
>>                          look up the reference.
>>
>>
>>                              an IGMP proxy
>>                                   function needs to be deployed at MAGs
>>                     in exactly the same
>>                              way as for
>>                                   IPv6.
>>                              => an IGMP proxy
>>                                   function needs to be deployed at MAGs
>>                     in exactly the same
>>                              way as is done for an MLD proxy for
>>                                   IPv6.
>>
>>                              p.9
>>                              For a dual-stack IPv4/IPv6 access network,
>>                     the MAG proxy
>>                     instances
>>                              => For a dual-stack IPv4/IPv6 access
>>                     network, the MAG proxy
>>                              instances (i.e. IPMP/MLD proxy functions)
>>
>>                              In the following, efficiency-related issues
>>                     remain.
>>                              => In the following, efficiency-related
>>                     issues which remain
>>                              unsolved within the above defined base
>>                     PMIPv6 multicast source
>>                              support are described.
>>
>>
>>                          Here, we would prefer the shorter forms.
>>
>>                              p.11
>>                              upstream will lead traffic into the
>>                     multicast infrastructure
>>                              =>  upstream will transfer traffic into the
>>                     multicast
>>                     infrastructure
>>
>>
>>                          o.k.
>>
>>                              p.12
>>                              configurations have completed =>
>>                     configurations have been
>>                     completed
>>
>>
>>                          o.k.
>>
>>                              traffic from the mobile source continues to
>>                     be transmitted via
>>                     the
>>                                   same next-hop router using the same
>>                     source address
>>                              =>  traffic from the mobile source
>>                     continues to be transmitted
>>                              via the
>>                                   same next-hop multicast router using
>>                     the same source
>>                     address
>>
>>
>>                          o.k.
>>
>>                              by aggregating proxies on a lower layer.
>>                              ==> please clarify: what layer exactly is
>>                     proposed? PIM DR at
>>                     MAGs?
>>
>>
>>                          A lower layer is meant in the (OSI) layered
>>                     model: Layer 2 or
>>                     below.
>>
>>                                  in the access network for providing
>>                     multicast services in
>>                              parallel to
>>                                   unicast routes.
>>                              =>  in the access network for providing
>>                     multicast services in
>>                              parallel to
>>                                   unicast routes ( see Fig. 3(b)).
>>
>>
>>                          O.K.
>>
>>                              p.13
>>                                  The following information is needed for
>>                     all phases of PIM.
>>                              =>  The following information is needed for
>>                     all three phases of
>>                              PIM as outlined in [RFC4601].
>>
>>
>>                          O.K.
>>
>>                              P.14
>>                              configured to not initiated (S,G) shortest
>>                     path tress for
>>                     mobile
>>                              => configured to not initiated (S,G)
>>                     shortest path trees for
>>                     mobile
>>
>>
>>                          Thanks, o.k.
>>
>>                              mobile source.  This tree can be of lesser
>>                     routing efficiency
>>                     than
>>                              => mobile source.  This tree can be of
>>                     lower routing
>>                     efficiency than
>>
>>
>>                          o.k.
>>
>>                              In
>>                                   response, the PIM RP will recognize
>>                     the known source at a
>>                     new
>>                                   (tunnel) interface immediately
>>                     responds with a register
>>                     stop.
>>                              => In
>>                                   response, the PIM RP will recognize
>>                     the known source at a
>>                     new
>>                                   (tunnel) interface and thus (?)
>>                     immediately respond with a
>>                              register stop.
>>
>>
>>                          O.k., fixed.
>>
>>                              As the
>>                                   RP had joined the shortest path tree
>>                     to receive from the
>>                              source via
>>                                   the LMA,
>>                              =>As the
>>                                   RP has joined the shortest path tree
>>                     to receive data from
>>                              the source via
>>                                   the LMA,
>>
>>
>>                          Meanwhile replaced.
>>
>>                              the LMA, it will see an RPF change when
>>                     data arrives at a new
>>                              => the LMA, it will see an RPF change when
>>                     data arrive at a new
>>
>>
>>                          s.o.
>>
>>                              In response to an exceeded threshold of
>>                     packet transmission,
>>                     DRs of
>>                                   receivers eventually will initiated a
>>                     source-specific
>>                     Join for
>>                              => In response to an exceeded threshold of
>>                     packet transmission,
>>                              DRs of
>>                                   receivers eventually will initiate a
>>                     source-specific Join
>>                     for
>>
>>
>>                          Thanks, fixed.
>>
>>                              this (S,G) tree will range from
>>                                   the receiving DR via the (stable) LMA,
>>                     the LMA-MAG tunnel
>>                              to the
>>                                   mobile source
>>                              =>
>>                              this (S,G) tree will range from
>>                                   the receiving DR via the (stable) LMA,
>>                     the LMA-MAG tunnel,
>>                              and the serving MAG to the
>>                                   mobile source (described from leave to
>>                     root?)
>>
>>
>>                          o.k.
>>
>>                              This tree is of higher routing efficiency
>> than
>>                              established in the previous phase two
>>                              =>
>>                              This tree is of higher routing efficiency
>> than
>>                                 that established in the previous phase two
>>
>>
>>                          thanks, o.k.
>>
>>                              p.15
>>                              via the source register tunnel.  Tree
>>                     mainenance eventually
>>                              triggered
>>                              => via the source register tunnel.  Tree
>>                     maintenance eventually
>>                              triggered
>>
>>
>>                          Thanks, o.k.
>>
>>                              p.16
>>                                  BIDIR-PIM MAY be deployed in the access
>>                     network =>
>>                                BIDIR-PIM [RFC5015] MAY be deployed in
>>                     the access network
>>
>>
>>                          Ref has been provided before.
>>
>>                              remain uneffected by node mobility =>
>>                     remain unaffected by node
>>                              mobility
>>
>>
>>                          Thanks, fixed.
>>
>>                              spanning group tree => spanning tree for
>>                     the multicast group
>>                              /multicast spanning tree
>>
>>
>>                          o.k., thanks.
>>
>>                              p.17
>>                              document.  To overcome these deficits, an
>>                     optimized approach to
>>                              ==> AFAIU it does mainly cover deficits
>>                     mentioned in sect.
>>                     4, if
>>                              also those inefficiencies described in
>>                     3.2.5 are tackled this
>>                              should be explained
>>
>>
>>                          Actually, the main concerns that are addressed
>>                     in this peering
>>                          approach are from section 3.2.5, namely the
>>                     parallel proxy
>>                          instances, which route via an LMA.
>>
>>                          We've added text to make this clearer.
>>
>>
>>                              Following different techniques, these
>>                     requirements are met in
>>                     the
>>                                   following solutions.
>>                              ==> to me it seems to be one solution only
>>                     (peering between MLD
>>                              proxies) adapted to several multicast
>>                     protocol implementations
>>                              for ASM and SSM
>>
>>
>>                          Yes, the original text covered also the
>>                     multiple-upstream proxy,
>>                          which moved to the appendix now. The text has
>>                     been corrected now.
>>
>>                              but provide superior performance in the
>>                     presence of source-
>>                                   specific signaling (IGMPv3/MLDv2).
>>                              ==> Wouldn't a reference to RFC 4604
>>                     ("Using Internet Group
>>                              Management Protocol Version 3 (IGMPv3) and
>>                     Multicast Listener
>>                              Discovery Protocol Version 2 (MLDv2) for
>>                     Source-Specific
>>                              Multicast") make sense or be helpful here?
>>
>>
>>                          O.k., we've added this.
>>
>>
>>                              p.18
>>                              This filter base Must be updated, if and =>
>>                     This filter base
>>                              MUST be updated, if and
>>
>>
>>                          thanks, fixed.
>>
>>                              In
>>                                   addition, local multicast packets are
>>                     transferred
>>                              =>
>>                              In
>>                                   addition, multicast packets from
>>                     locally attached sources
>>                              are transferred
>>                              or:
>>                                 In addition, such locally arriving
>>                     multicast packets are
>>                              transferred
>>
>>
>>                          O.k., reworded.
>>
>>                              p.19
>>                              6.  IANA Considerations
>>                                   TODO.
>>                              ==> to me there seem to be no IANA
>>                     activities arising from the
>>                              proposed protocol modifications, right?
>>
>>
>>                          Yes.
>>
>>                              p.20
>>                              the PMIPv6 domain will not actively
>>                     terminate group membership
>>                     prior
>>                                   to departure.
>>                              =>
>>                              the PMIPv6 domain will in general not
>>                     actively terminate group
>>                              membership prior
>>                                   to departure.
>>
>>
>>                          o.k.
>>
>>                              p.22
>>                              but alternate configuriations => but
>>                     alternate configurations
>>
>>                              a state decomposition , if needed => a
>>                     state decomposition, if
>>                              needed...
>>
>>
>>                          Thanks, fixed.
>>
>>                              Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>                          Yes, thanks a lot for this detailed review!
>>
>>                          Best wishes,
>>
>>                          Thomas
>>
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>>                              Subject: [multimob] I-D Action:
>>                              draft-ietf-multimob-pmipv6-___**
>> _source-04.txt
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>>
>>                              A New Internet-Draft is available from the
>>                     on-line
>>                              Internet-Drafts directories.
>>                                 This draft is a work item of the
>>                     Multicast Mobility Working
>>                              Group of the IETF.
>>
>>                                       Title           : Mobile Multicast
>>                     Sender Support in
>>                              Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) Domains
>>                                       Author(s)       : Thomas C. Schmidt
>>                                                          Shuai Gao
>>                                                          Hong-Ke Zhang
>>                                                          Matthias
>> Waehlisch
>>                                       Filename        :
>>                              draft-ietf-multimob-pmipv6-___**
>> _source-04.txt
>>
>>                                       Pages           : 24
>>                                       Date            : 2013-07-12
>>
>>                              Abstract:
>>                                   Multicast communication can be enabled
>>                     in Proxy Mobile
>>                     IPv6
>>                              domains
>>                                   via the Local Mobility Anchors by
>>                     deploying MLD Proxy
>>                              functions at
>>                                   Mobile Access Gateways, via a direct
>>                     traffic distribution
>>                              within an
>>                                   ISP's access network, or by selective
>>                     route optimization
>>                              schemes.
>>                                   This document describes the support of
>>                     mobile multicast
>>                              senders in
>>                                   Proxy Mobile IPv6 domains for all
>>                     three scenarios.
>>                     Protocol
>>                                   optimizations for synchronizing PMIPv6
>>                     with PIM, as
>>                     well as
>>                              a peering
>>                                   function for MLD Proxies defined.
>>                       Mobile sources always
>>                     remain
>>                                   agnostic of multicast mobility
>> operations.
>>
>>
>>
>>                              The IETF datatracker status page for this
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