Re: [multipathtcp] [tcpm] Working group acceptance of draft-bonaventure-mptcp-converters ?

Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com> Wed, 06 December 2017 04:26 UTC

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From: Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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On 12/5/2017 2:48 PM, Scharf, Michael (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) wrote:
> Hi Joe, all,
>
> Regarding "*out of scope for* TCPM":  Whether a document is in scope of TCPM, or not, depends on the TCPM charter wording. 
Although I appreciate that's strictly true, I doubt the charter would
change to include "haiku development".

By the same token, IMO, this doc falls into one of two categories:

1) if, as is, it proposes direct placement of out-of-band data in the
SYN payload, I think it is a bad idea and not worth pursuing in TCPM

2) if, instead, it is corrected to explain that its use of the data
channel for proxy information is simply a conventional application data
path, then it would not be a "modification of TCP" at all (minor or
otherwise). If that isn't clearly out of scope for TCPM, I do not know
what is or ever would be (can we start haiku next, in that case?)

Joe