Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /architecture
William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> Tue, 10 November 2009 03:18 UTC
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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> wrote: >> Is there a good discussion on this somewhere so I can read up on the >> rationale that brought it into being? > > Since it's an artifact, I don't think there is. The issue is that > unknown options are ignored (as per RFC1122). The only time when you can > find out if an option is supported in a way that you know will preceded > all other segments is to put it in the SYN. > > If you put it in a later segment, you don't know when the segment will > be received. Here's the problem, when A sends to B (assuming the > connection is already open): > > A sends segment #223 with option X > presuming this is the first segment A sends > with option X > > Does A stop sending segments beyond 223 until option X is ACK'd? This > violates window processing. If A sends segment 224 with option X, and B > receives segment 224 before 223, it MUST ignore option X. Hi Joe, I'm missing something here. I would have expected TCP to hold segment 224 and not process it (except perhaps for selective ack or to retransmit 222's ack) until after 223 had been received and processed. In other words, unless the option was defined to be unordered, I'd expect the receiver to process it in the same order as the packet sequence numbers. That's not how TCP functions? The options are required to be processed in order received rather than ordered by sequence? Or is it just that all options to date have been designed to be processed in the order received? I can see the point of doing that; I'm just trying to get a scope on the issue. > So you can't put in a new option that has a required effect or is > confirmed; there's no way to 'stop the stream' until the endpoints sync. > The only times the endpoints sync is during the SYN. My first thought would be a three-part handshake. Request option X, option X accepted, option X in effect. Requires that the receiver understand that order is important after sending X accepted though. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Mark Handley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
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- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Mark Handley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Mark Handley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Ford, Alan
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… philip.eardley
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Lars Eggert
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Scott Brim
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Costin Raiciu
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Yoshifumi Nishida
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… William Herrin
- Re: [multipathtcp] High-level design decisions /a… Joe Touch