[Nemops-interest] Re: Options to register for the workshop

Dhruv Dhody <dd@dhruvdhody.com> Sun, 17 November 2024 08:51 UTC

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 14:20:36 +0530
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Hi Toerless,

On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 1:51 PM Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:

> As you're hinting at the to get feedback beyond the standards process:
>
> Was a request for input to the WS sent out to other communities beside
> IETF ? E.g.:
> nanog, ripe, sanog, apricot or the like... ?
>
>
Yes. The members of the PC reached out to various operator communities.

This is from my update at IABOpen -
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/121/materials/slides-121-iabopen-nemops-workshop-update-00.pdf

● The PC participated and received feedback at -
>
○ LACNIC / LACNOG - Benoit

○ NANOG - Qin, Kent, Warren

○ RIPE - Benoit

● Plan to also present at Autocon next - Mahesh
> ● Plan to present to events after the workshop to continue the
> conversation
>
○ APRICOT/APNIC - Dhruv

○ NANOG - Suresh


We also had a survey publicised at these events -
https://ietf.iad1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9vQxBRiZqDntarc

Thanks!
Dhruv


Cheers
>     Toerless
>
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 08:57:32PM -0800, Rob Shakir wrote:
> > Folks -
> >
> > I really encourage putting forward position papers if you are working on
> > this area.
> >
> > The IAB is asking for input — independently of the standards process. For
> > some folks, the standards process might be working really well for
> solving
> > your operational issues; for others, it might not be working.
> >
> > Whichever set you’re in, if you expect the standards process to be
> mutated
> > to meet the requirements of practitioners, the you should expect to
> express
> > what your needs are. A good thing about this kind of engagement is it
> > doesn’t say what the _solution_ is, just what the requirements are.
> >
> > I look forward to a productive discussion.
> >
> > r.
> >
> >
> >
> > robjs VRTS
> >
> > *TZ:* Pacific (America/Los_Angeles)   *Desk:* SFO-SPE
> >
> > Please do not feel obligated to reply outside your working hours!
> >
> > *What is now proved was once only imagined - William Blake.*
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 16, 2024 at 8:28 PM Dhruv Dhody <dd@dhruvdhody.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:53 AM Ebben Aries <exa=
> > > 40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Consider this mail also a 'statement of interest'
> > >>
> > >> A bit repetitive since the list is already named `nemops-interest` so
> > >> would assume the invite should just go to the list in addition to
> folks
> > >> submitting position papers since folks on the list already expressed
> > >> interest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> > >>
> > >>
> > > Dhruv: As per our CFP at
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/nemopsws/about/
> > >
> > > The mailing list nemops-interest@iab.org will be used for outreach
> events
> > >> at other conferences, general announcements, and related discussions
> before
> > >> (and after) the workshop.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any "expression of interest" and better yet "position papers" needs to
> be
> > > sent to nemops-workshop-pc@iab.org.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Dhruv
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 2024-11-15 18:30:35, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote:
> > >> > [External Email. Be cautious of content]
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi Dean,
> > >> >
> > >> > There is no registration per-se. It is by invitation.
> > >> >
> > >> > We will consider this email as a statement of interest, something
> one
> > >> can submit in-lieu of a position paper. Statement of interest of
> course
> > >> will be evaluated separately from a position papers when deciding who
> to
> > >> invite. But I am told that we invite pretty much everyone who shows
> > >> interest.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers
> > >> >
> > >> > Mahesh Jethanandani
> > >> > mjethanandani@gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Nov 15, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Dean Bogdanovic <ivandean@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Is there a way to register for the workshop without submitting a
> > >> paper? ‘m very interested in this field and am actively working on
> network
> > >> management, but due to several circumstances can’t submit a paper in
> time.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > thank you
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Dean Bogdanovic
> > >> > >
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