Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem

[Radek Krejci <[e-mail]>]

Dne 17. 03. 20 v 17:48 Martin Björklund napsal(a):
> Hi,
>
> Some background:
>
> Some types in YANG can be restricted, e.g., an int32 can have a range
> restriction, a string can have a length restriction etc.  When a type
> A is restricted in this way, the new type B's value space is a subset
> of A's value space.
>
> Some types cannot be restricted, i.e., their value space cannot be
> altered (e.g., "boolean").
>
> Some other types need substatements to properly define the value
> space, e.g., an "enumeration" needs a set of "enum" statements and a
> "decimal64" needs a "fraction-digits".
>
> The only way to expand the value space is to use type "union".
>
> So in all cases, the derived type's value space is a subset of its
> base type's value space.
>
> Now, for instance-identifier and leafref, the "require-instance" is a
> bit weird.  It is called a "restriction" but it isn't really a
> restriction, since it doesn't change the value space.  If it is set to
> "true" it defines a constraint that must be true in valid data.
>
> Radek Krejci <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> Also
>> please compare with the text in 9.4.4 (length) or 9.2.4 (range) where
>> the derived types are explicitly mentioned in case the statement is
>> meant to be allowed there. The specification is not supposed to
>> explicitly state where it IS NOT allowed, instead it specifies where it
>> IS allowed.
> Agreed.
>
>> By your interpretation, require-instance would be allowed
>> even in integer types since it is not explicitly denied.
> I don't think this is the logical interpretation.  Suppose we have
> two types "foo" and "bar":
>
>    typedef foo {
>      type leafref {
>        path "...";
>      }
>    }
>
>    typedef bar {
>      type int32;
>    }
>
>
> It makes (some) logical sense to say that "foo" is a "leafref", and
> hence it would be legal according to 9.9.3 to use "require-instance" in
> "foo".
>
> But it does not make logical sense to say that "bar" is a "leafref",
> and hence 9.9.3 doesn't make it legal to use "require-instance" in
> "bar".
>
> I don't remember the original intention, but obviously people have
> interpreted the text in 9.9.3 in different ways, which indicates that
> it is wrong and should be fixed.  However, I don't think either
> interpretation is obviously correct.  Thus, I think that we cannot
> state that the usage of "require-instance" in
> ietf-subscribed-notification is wrong.

so, you are saying that despite formulations in 9.9.3 and e.g. 9.2.4 are
different, their meaning is the same? So the "require-instance" can be
used in types derived from instance-identifier and leafref? I'm afraid
that then it is not about different interpretations, but the text simply
misses the part about derived types and errata are required.

Radek



>
> /martin
>
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Radek
>>
>>
>>>  Intentions about the pattern of the text are speculation. The text says it MAY be there. So unless an errata is filed, it is allowed. IMHO if that is the intention we would need an explicit sentence like:
>>> "Usage of require-instance is not allowed for derived types."
>>> I don't have a strict view on which was the intention (maybe Martin has) but the text is unambiguous to me.
>>> Regards Balazs
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michal Vaško <[e-mail]> 
>>> Sent: 2020. március 13., péntek 10:04
>>> To: Balázs Lengyel <[e-mail]>
>>> Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
>>> Subject: Re: [netconf] Require-instance problem [was: RE: WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11]
>>>
>>> Hi Balazs,
>>> just to explain libyang behavior, if you look at (pattern <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.4.5> ) definition, there is explicitly mentioned that it can appear in derived types. There is no such wording for (require-instance <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9..9.3> ), it mentions only "instance-identifier" and "leafref" types.
>>>
>>> Also, libyang does not allow loading invalid schemas so even if you only import it, it will fail.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Michal
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 13, 2020 09:55 CET, Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=[e-mail]> wrote: 
>>>  
>>>> Hello Mahesh,
>>>>
>>>> Even if there is some problem with ietf-subscribed-notification how does that effect the validity of instance data for ietf-system-capabilities or ietf-notification-capabilities ? I only import a type and a feature from Yangpush (which imports subscribed notification). These seem nothing to do with require-instance.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Aside from my draft:
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand some of libyangs statements:  
>>>>
>>>> “as it turned out (ref <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9.3> ), you cannot put require-instance into a derived type”. 
>>>>
>>>> Checking ref I did not find why you cannot put require instance into a typedef.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> By the way I have bigger issues with YangValidator. When I load ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08 into it I get 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> RecursionError at /yangvalidator/validator
>>>>
>>>> maximum recursion depth exceeded
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Request Method:
>>>>
>>>> POST
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Request URL:
>>>>
>>>> https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=6cc7e6c7-3013efa1-6cc7a65c-8610d8a762ca-0a278d65531d4f4f&q=1&e=b7200729-5cfb-4d52-b459-737457b266e0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yangvalidator.com%2Fyangvalidator%2Fvalidator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Django Version:
>>>>
>>>> 3.0.4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Exception Type:
>>>>
>>>> RecursionError
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Exception Value:
>>>>
>>>> maximum recursion depth exceeded
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Exception Location:
>>>>
>>>> /home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.egg/pyang/statements.py in newf, line 42
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Python Executable:
>>>>
>>>> /usr/sbin/uwsgi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Python Version:
>>>>
>>>> 3.6.10
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Python Path:
>>>>
>>>> ['/home/yang/yangvalidator/lib/python3.6/site-packages/pyang-2.1.1-py3.6.egg/pyang/transforms',
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Regards Balazs
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> From: Mahesh Jethanandani <[e-mail]> 
>>>> Sent: 2020. március 12., csütörtök 22:28
>>>> To: Balázs Lengyel <[e-mail]>
>>>> Cc: Kent Watsen <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
>>>> Subject: Re: [netconf] WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> [Adding yang-doctors]
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Hi Balazs,
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:06 AM, Balázs Lengyel <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Finally, have all the examples in the appendix been validated?
>>>>
>>>> BALAZS: Yes, they have been loaded into a live Confd server.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> I bring this up because I ran into issues when validating the https-notif model using ietf-subscribed-notification module, something that you also import. Here is what I see when I try to use yanglint to validate your example. In this case, I named your example as examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>  [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>  examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml 
>>>>
>>>> err : Invalid keyword "require-instance".
>>>>
>>>> err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed.
>>>>
>>>> err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yang-push" failed.
>>>>
>>>> err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed.
>>>>
>>>> err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed.
>>>>
>>>> err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> At first I thought the issue was with yanglint, because just like you I used confd and it did not complain. But folks over at libyang tell me that this was discussed as part of their issue  #881 <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=a6420c80-fa9605e6-a6424c1b-8610d8a762ca-d6cddc5edf1151a7&q=1&e=3cd8e8af-8aea-4f96-939b-8e1e455eac74&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FCESNET%2Flibyang%2Fissues%2F881>  and the conclusion was that you cannot put require-instance in a derived type based on this <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9.3>  text.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Who is correct in their assertion, libyang or confd/RFC8639?
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> In case anyone is wondering which ietf-subsciribed-notifications module is being imported, here it is:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> bash-3.2$ ls ..../iana/yang-parameters/[e-mail] <mailto:iana/yang-parameters/[e-mail]> 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> BTW, even if I comment out the ‘require-instance’ statement, yanglint complains about other issues with ietf-subscribed-notifications, which I will bring up in a separate thread.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Mahesh Jethanandani
>>>>
>>>> [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> 
>>>>
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