Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hidden
Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> Tue, 30 April 2019 18:07 UTC
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From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:07:26 -0700
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Subject: Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hidden
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:49 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> wrote: > Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote: > > > > Correct, as I didn’t think there was consensus yet. Perhaps there is > > rough-consensus, and it may be that the only way to gauge that is to > > try and see how much push back there is. > > > > Okay, so how about this, based on this thread, there appears to be > > support to add a flag to control if a key should be “permanently > > hidden” or not, in which case configuration is created. > > I (still) object to this. Actions shouldn't create config. We > already have generic protcol operations to do this. We go from a > document-oriented configuration model towards a command-oriented > model. Not good. In RESTCONF, the generic methods support things > like ETags, which I suspect you don't want to replicate in this > action? Will the action support all error-options of edit-config, > like rollback-on-error? > > > Strongly agree with Martin. This issue of "server-generated config" has been around from the start. NMDA was supposed to solve it. (It didn't). There seems to be a need for standardized mechanisms to tell the server how to magically instantiate data in <intended> that does not appear in <running>. The solution should be consistent and not ad-hoc. This is a similar problem to config templates (which also lack any standard solution). Andy Some comments on the new text: > > In action generate-hidden-key, it should be stated that the public-key > will be populated, and that the private-key will exist but report > 'permanently-hidden'. > > In action install-hidden-key, shouldn't both public-key and > private-key be mandatory? Also state that the private-key will report > 'permanently-hidden'. > > In leaf private-key, the type binary part of the union doesn't have a > description, and the description for the leaf itself says: > > A binary that contains the value of the private key. > > which is not quite correct. > > I think we should state that the enum 'permanently-hidden' is only > reported in operational state. > > The new descriptions say: > > [...] present only in > <operational> and bound to the lifetime of the parent > 'config true' node. > > Aren't all nodes bound to the lifetime of their parent? > The action is invoked in a node that exists in <operational> and it > creates a key. What does the statement tell me? > > > /martin > > > > > > > This change will be in the next update, in about a week’s time, if no > > objections are raised. > > > > Kent // contributor > > > > > > > On Apr 30, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Balázs Kovács > > > <balazs.kovacs@ericsson.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kent, > > > > > > I don’t see the your proposal below addressed in latest update > > > (keystore-09). Was it missed? > > > > > > My recommendation is to modify the "generate/install-hidden-key" > > > (renamed to just "generate/install-key") actions to have a flag > > > indicating if > > > the key should be "permanently hidden" (perhaps by using a TPM) or > > > not, in > > > which case configuration is created, same as if the client had used > > > <edit- > > > config>, but without needing to touch the key. > > > > > > > > > I agree that having a flag to control the behavior is useful and I > > > think there should be explicit text how the action fails in case the > > > requested action cannot be performed. > > > > > > Br, > > > Balazs > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >
- [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hidden Balázs Kovács
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Balázs Kovács
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… tom petch
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Balázs Kovács
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Balázs Kovács
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… tom petch
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Balázs Lengyel
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Balázs Kovács
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Balázs Kovács
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Balázs Kovács
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Andy Bierman
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… tom petch
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Balázs Kovács
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… tom petch
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… tom petch
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… tom petch
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Balázs Kovács
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Balázs Kovács
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hid… Kent Watsen