From nobody Wed May 17 23:57:12 2023
Return-Path: <jschoenwaelder@constructor.university>
X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
 by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624E9C15C513
 for <netconf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 17 May 2023 23:57:11 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.897
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5
 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1,
 RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001,
 URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001,
 URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key)
 header.d=jacobsuniversity.onmicrosoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194])
 by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
 with ESMTP id OAgxIjTeRnsT for <netconf@ietfa.amsl.com>;
 Wed, 17 May 2023 23:57:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from EUR05-AM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com
 (mail-am6eur05on2060a.outbound.protection.outlook.com
 [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:7e1b::60a])
 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
 (No client certificate requested)
 by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53F78C14CF13
 for <netconf@ietf.org>; Wed, 17 May 2023 23:57:07 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none;
 b=JWmVCLnkoqlh2/K0/C217aJBFr6Cg9iaYzQ28x9z0jlMBqUhdA3myjJ9ZFFHFFhs95Nmsa6ngma+Aa519bimlClMOj4ZZSYyH/vEfSZN8M1XH897ZOJOxLmSO9WKHwt3vtpthBB6neDWykpBftVyY41QxwrUczwPg+iW/dTmnnn9UqsxrTNpVbSr6Mntdj+MaV5twEJqQBZ1mq/P22FEkNSmoCaEb4XsGem77xQxG9BDUix4ZI+NWZ93oUiRKtWHUGoXTKdfdhAPfkHEzPNf++zzJpQDVtiK82x/+f9gweDfaWH9LYEojVwSxMqcDRSWAzAQax1bbnvRJsAVJjfBkA==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; 
 s=arcselector9901;
 h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1;
 bh=l3SCYSTy6XCXJNHBi4zvqqulqTvlTrp7ivj8O7kWQRY=;
 b=LJREL+3rFsHUKN3UmTXLJMV2L4L/QvY+3zrGOrQn10XqGwg/+dazvtT50uAmLk/kzCZbnTZ1vneHLA2Ql3cthjmeAOH3MnKENWusVo5cQw7LBrNdGrUcpmHL58FynzbTsE1yDz/GshE0yHM3ioIBw+BcpSjJjN9dUcjrcr4HSi7vgFY7aoMRiE/szH0x3Aaa1YPKV4wQRMAPlzI2cmFq1r0JJl1Jt/NTt40DOUiGOYJ507YXwMdRvDLz1vnWiqlxMIagIpJA4kl/+fHbVTetqCN+LUyRHyqKLP+/SU9uc6AjH33wMFj8Y7X0+AocYK9FE0a+hwpVXZnEJnCSK36ZnA==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass
 smtp.mailfrom=constructor.university; dmarc=pass action=none
 header.from=constructor.university; dkim=pass
 header.d=constructor.university; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=jacobsuniversity.onmicrosoft.com;
 s=selector2-jacobsuniversity-onmicrosoft-com;
 h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck;
 bh=l3SCYSTy6XCXJNHBi4zvqqulqTvlTrp7ivj8O7kWQRY=;
 b=SB5Y9yjBR+LbqPbwLT6gvekmqVBmw8LbhuZEytJQMRmmihEokz/9Ht/4uKLfoGGGv5d0lwYSHUQ785DIQl3AcHqYpB6b7WQunLOs1ak2rbDRPw9q8KfR67TrO2cvCiqVp65NvP1epjRdUBUJsazARpY7RzduY+sVjWfYmWAJ9dA=
Authentication-Results: dkim=none (message not signed)
 header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=constructor.university;
Received: from GVXP190MB1991.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:150:3::6) by
 GVXP190MB1846.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:150:3e::18) with
 Microsoft
 SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id
 15.20.6411.19; Thu, 18 May 2023 06:57:00 +0000
Received: from GVXP190MB1991.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
 ([fe80::581b:1ec3:e89b:df50]) by GVXP190MB1991.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
 ([fe80::581b:1ec3:e89b:df50%6]) with mapi id 15.20.6411.019; Thu, 18 May 2023
 06:57:00 +0000
Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 08:56:57 +0200
From: =?utf-8?B?SsO8cmdlbiBTY2jDtm53w6RsZGVy?=
 <jschoenwaelder@constructor.university>
To: yuchaode <yuchaode=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: 'Jan Lindblad' <janl@tail-f.com>, 
	"netconf@ietf.org" <netconf@ietf.org>
Message-ID: <rf3jtkzrkqbxfv3cpcnmebyoo3pnauw4w2aksyueur7wzse5jg@srpd7tcelbka>
Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?SsO8cmdlbiBTY2jDtm53w6RsZGVy?=
 <jschoenwaelder@constructor.university>
Mail-Followup-To: yuchaode <yuchaode=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, 
 'Jan Lindblad' <janl@tail-f.com>, "netconf@ietf.org" <netconf@ietf.org>
References: <bf46e86e2802449797521fd7a8746a2c@huawei.com>
 <AE0584AB-8FAE-4798-A82C-F23B00A76109@tail-f.com>
 <f7ef21f5a67243d19080851b62983bf0@huawei.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
In-Reply-To: <f7ef21f5a67243d19080851b62983bf0@huawei.com>
X-ClientProxiedBy: AM0PR04CA0121.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com
 (2603:10a6:208:55::26) To GVXP190MB1991.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
 (2603:10a6:150:3::6)
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email
X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: GVXP190MB1991:EE_|GVXP190MB1846:EE_
X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: ff03659b-4f0d-40af-aa21-08db576d13b2
X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck: 1
X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-Relay: 0
X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;
X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: 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
X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; 
 IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM;
 H:GVXP190MB1991.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM; PTR:; CAT:NONE; 
 SFS:(13230028)(7916004)(136003)(39850400004)(396003)(366004)(376002)(346002)(451199021)(3450700001)(2906002)(786003)(316002)(478600001)(41300700001)(8936002)(4326008)(6486002)(54906003)(6666004)(66476007)(66946007)(66556008)(5660300002)(6512007)(9686003)(6506007)(26005)(52116002)(33716001)(38350700002)(38100700002)(186003)(66574015)(85182001)(41320700001)(86362001)(40140700001)(85202003)(224303003)(46492015);
 DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; 
X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount: 1
X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0: =?utf-8?B?VjFVOVVrZmZKSzBRRlpFano1WDZTQjVkby9SNFNoVFZpRCtTNHprcGNqV0Qw?=
 =?utf-8?B?Z1d4M1gxNXVwVlBqdWN0eWplTUlPOVZkUlVZTUI5dCt0b0lMMTkvSE8vMFV4?=
 =?utf-8?B?L1dKanZ3L3g5Y3Rad05nZkI1ZGdRZVNMUXZwUnNrM0kybFhUQ3BneVFKTnJJ?=
 =?utf-8?B?ZWdCQ2QzcEh3UU9UTUJoLzhrVDB1THBYbDFUOEpncHJMUHM0Y1MxejFlMmpz?=
 =?utf-8?B?QmFwQnJPWmZLUjNtQXlEeWp2Y25RWnZpYzhEa0E1VHdjMk9OMnJ1TlEwQnhW?=
 =?utf-8?B?dXMzMVFqcGJNbzZEdXlFdTgzZndidzh3c1BneTJLQStlQUI3UkdoQ3BydHRm?=
 =?utf-8?B?OWFKTUlQb0huZnlyYS92RUU4V2IwMzFUUEcwWWxJaWgxbXRsN3NDSkdjS1c5?=
 =?utf-8?B?RkQ4RWhDc1BRaFNISWExVkFkWVhSOVJYQzJoeHRMWnlQZXZJcEdVV2RPNWk5?=
 =?utf-8?B?ZzRXY1ZBNFBTbUl1OENLUHIxelVYN0sxcWUwWExjWHRBZGlUVXB2ZFNqZElu?=
 =?utf-8?B?Vk9NdXE4NmQwUW9Fa3RhK2FBeFVuTTZSczNKMzRHK0M1eXNkaXdpQUNHcTJv?=
 =?utf-8?B?VGNKdU9aNEJaZW83SzdlOHp0NSs1cGo0ZUx4RnBpU3NEV3NJSTBleHR0TnBO?=
 =?utf-8?B?eUp6TU9laEhvKzlPMTVTczRGVTJHNkFlMEZST3ZvUkpJZ3VTajFzSktjR0xH?=
 =?utf-8?B?eVZyMjZMY1JiVHRGTUdqTnNrLzFWbVh1TVBYT0doRkxEeHBVcmtTVk1pNDJw?=
 =?utf-8?B?cm9ac0l4M3FTZ0dvUUVyWkl4M1I4YVdnYkVObEQxbTBabitkUEtjWWV3cDdQ?=
 =?utf-8?B?dlRLVk5VdDV4MDI4UmlNSEpiWXM2U2NHcndBbGpwRHJIRGlSZE9NNExNWTdX?=
 =?utf-8?B?RUFtOVZUbFp0d2M1TmhwSGVkWEpqRlpyMmM5dWFCdWFXUnJzMmJpanluaWN3?=
 =?utf-8?B?aFdrNnMzR1ZnQVZWcmpTVVA2eGUxUzhoenRxaFhjSmRGdGZtOFJ2ODJPd2dV?=
 =?utf-8?B?bUxxbk5udWE1WFQ1M3NBc2xPbjk2OVlPdlNoejVxUWJDOEx0b2puWU1tTE5z?=
 =?utf-8?B?ZjVVdG1EOEJKbzhoRXFhcUIwb2gzdTExOXhkV3hYN3psb0ZiYlRGZnV2MWR1?=
 =?utf-8?B?Wnc2dS9xY2xUMmI3ZXRPcVlVa1FWQzk2dkE2M1B2SGZnOENkQTFBZVY4N0hr?=
 =?utf-8?B?YTRsY1lDNGFUVDdoTGFaRkxPWU9kYTJaYkQ2NmxxK3BYU29pYi9OR1RDTHp2?=
 =?utf-8?B?L2VLRjcwOVUwNU5CYTBsWE42M1FVQUhSUHpQdHJJZkw0b25jTnJ4em9DdnIx?=
 =?utf-8?B?VDhIYi91VCs1cjA0c3ZCbWFFWXBHUVVXRmhCYTg2eVBicHJMUE1zdklhYTV4?=
 =?utf-8?B?QTVxbzB2aWd3WlBRRWVGQUpna2Fhb2hlaXJxVzZrL2pzOVRBVDlYWjVjMG94?=
 =?utf-8?B?N296MzZTY1M4N1NjdWh6TlROY3FzNmF1aVIwcVlFSWh3bzF1VmwzWTl1Q01R?=
 =?utf-8?B?QzBDMGR0czQ4VWNVaWtZck44VE85VnE3M2Fnait4NFFSMWNyZzZtMnNZWkxm?=
 =?utf-8?B?TmROZ3pNYlo2UnVGZ0ZEMUN1MWtPZXd5SUxmV3dFdmJ1RzA3V2hmNHRHUFhN?=
 =?utf-8?B?Y2xVeGc0bnlRdDRndzFCSk9oTytNNVdUSitib1ZoUGc0ZkN4WVdmMTJzNEwz?=
 =?utf-8?B?MXZoWmREWnRvYUczVnVNZjBaWkVERnNSTzZubkVueEdWOFVXdVBQMkloSDEy?=
 =?utf-8?B?YnpiY2FTQStESlRyVVY2VU1qaHloR1V2bmtBNFRvenkyM0IrQmNwUDQ5M2dC?=
 =?utf-8?B?RjV2VExoejYzclBSRlBxTmQ2ekd6TUw3UWYvK3VIMHgvd1drWkE2OUhFaTZX?=
 =?utf-8?B?YnF2aWsyenpIcnRxVndyT0JKM3pXbDJ4djlDNGhmYWhWYytKUEJIamc2anJF?=
 =?utf-8?B?M092NThBNXloOGpKdmtlMWtmTUxvUEVWWEhDY2h1K1BzMVpJbVN4ZllBNFZD?=
 =?utf-8?B?TkpaYWZBWDROMWNXUUtMUFVzSk9xbmJSSUhHQzdsUmFDSk9oaGdiSHJoT3hv?=
 =?utf-8?B?VHRDc3FxVlp4MG1QN3hnMldyRVFod2hTVmRqdVo5Y2JHTWtPSWNZTE0zMnhw?=
 =?utf-8?B?eElGVW5yMjBNYUxmOUlpdVhBSEJUMk9jNlJCaGU3ZnpINFpwZkpZTTRtMGVz?=
 =?utf-8?Q?WGoocYH2bQXIEu/URTVmBFw=3D?=
X-OriginatorOrg: constructor.university
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: ff03659b-4f0d-40af-aa21-08db576d13b2
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: GVXP190MB1991.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2023 06:57:00.0942 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: f78e973e-5c0b-4ab8-bbd7-9887c95a8ebd
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: mwbxjX7zYEhnrBVavqTy8ODHBGvGinZc12QK3KhgXD6OIiJPEYc3D4t0LKwtYMW95yKHVJpAQM537PVYeAZLf2YRo9MiallJs96nCYxvRp4=
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: GVXP190MB1846
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netconf/4QKTPqNNAH1GwiAW2pEdFsWfA6A>
Subject: Re: [netconf] 
 =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBXaGljaCBpcyB0aGUgYmV0dGVyIHdheSBm?=
 =?utf-8?q?or_vendor-specific_extension=3F?=
X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: NETCONF WG list <netconf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netconf>,
 <mailto:netconf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netconf/>
List-Post: <mailto:netconf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:netconf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf>,
 <mailto:netconf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 06:57:11 -0000

On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 06:17:17AM +0000, yuchaode wrote:
> Hi Jan,
> 
> Thanks for your comments. I will send another email to NETMOD mailing list too.
> At the same time, I also add an example to explain why the augmentation is a heavy burden for the orchestrator.
> 
> If a orchestrator needs to coordinate multiple domain controllers who all have their owned extensions, and the source standard YANG data structure is very complex.
> Because that all the vendors can their owned extensions in any places, from orchestrator’s view, the overall data structure can look like:
> {
>   "ietf-example:root”: {
>     "attr-1”: a,
>     "attr-2”: b,
>     "attr-3”: c,
>     "vendor-a-ext:attr-4”: d,
>     "vendor-b-ext:attr-5": e,
>     "containter-1": {
>       "attr-6”: f,
>       "attr-7”: g,
>       "attr-8”: h,
>       "vendor-a-ext:attr-9”: i,
>       "vendor-c-ext:attr-10": j,
>       "vendor-d-ext:list-11”: [{
>         "attr-12”: k,
>         "attr-13”: l
>       }],
>       "list-14": [{
>         "attr-15”: m,
>         "attr-16”: n,
>         "attr-17”: o,
>         "vendor-a-ext:attr-18”: p,
>         "vendor-c-ext:container-19”: {
>           "attr-20”: q,
>           "attr-21”: r
>         }
>       }]
>     }
>   }
> }
> Please note that the attributes start with vendor-*-ext are extended by different vendors.
> We can see that, the extensions can be happened at any places with any format or structures. The orchestrator need to do a lot of judgement and adaption for these extension.

There are many ways to filter effectively in YANG. The 'judgement'
part does not change if you force hierarchical data into a flat list.
It is a feature that YANG allows augmentations at the place in the
hierarchy where it makes the most sense.

/js

-- 
Jürgen Schönwälder              Constructor University Bremen gGmbH
Phone: +49 421 200 3587         Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany
Fax:   +49 421 200 3103         <https://constructor.university/>

