[netconf] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-23

Wesley Eddy via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> Tue, 02 April 2019 17:03 UTC

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Reviewer: Wesley Eddy
Review result: Almost Ready

This document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review team's
ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written
primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document's
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The document includes a way intended to ask for a particular DiffServ Code
Point (DSCP) value to be used by a publisher.  This is missing some context. 
Why would a subscriber do this?  Is it asking for DSCP values that it assumes
are honored and not bleached or altered all the way between it and the
publisher?  Are there conditions normal for the use of this protocol where that
assumption usually holds?

By asking for a particular DSCP to be set, the subscriber is maybe attempting
to optimize the behavior during some type of overload, where they really want
some notifications quickly, but others aren't as important, and may be fine to
drop and have retransmitted by TCP, etc.  This all seems to be implicit though,
with no deep discussion of what the protocol is attempting to enable with this
option or how it would be productively used.

It seems to be considered fatal if a publisher can't write a requested DSCP
value.  The requests fail with "dscp-unavailable".  This seems too drastic,
since the DSCP is anyways advisory to nodes on the path, and may be altered
anyways.  I'm not sure why this would be considered a fatal issue to the

The feature description for "dscp" mischaracterizes it as a pure priority
mechanism, rather than a more general indication of class of service treatment:
 "This feature indicates a publisher supports the placement of suggested
prioritization levels for network transport within notification messages."  It
could be more correct to say something like "This feature indicates that a
publisher supports the ability to set the DiffServ Code Point (DSCP) value in
outgoing packets."

The same comment is applicable in the dscp leaf description on page 45.  It is
mischaracterized as a pure priority mechanism, which is not how the IETF has
defined DSCP.

The weighting feature seems to need a little bit more work.  It allows values
between 0 and 255, and there is some description that bandwidth is supposed to
be allocated somehow proportional to the weighting, but it's not really clear
how this would be done or that it makes sense.   Is it assumed that the
publisher has some fixed bandwidth limit that it's trying to stay within, and
that it can choose messages from streams (based on their size, frequency, etc)
in some way to honor the weights?  What is the method to compute the
proportions?  Is it purely linear?  What if there is no contention?  What if
there is no inherrent bandwidth limit known to the publisher (since generally
there probably wouldn't be)?  The intention and detail of what this is trying
to achieve seems to need to be worked through a bit more to avoid just having a
complex feature that might not really achieve much real result, depending on
how its implemented.

Is there any thought on phase effects, with regard to events that have many
subscribers, causing a large number of simultaneous writes on different
streams?  Overall, there could be low bandwidth utilization for notifications,
but then sudden spikes when there is a coupling in the notifications going out
on multiple streams.  This could lead to some connections seeing losses and
others not, for instance, and there might be a reason to try to dither the
writes or have other logic encouraged to handle surges of outgoing
notifications.  Since the underlying transports are TCP-based, losses will be
recovered eventually, but there could be latency created in the meantime.  This
might motivate some of the QoS features that are cursorily discussed, but its
not clear how they would be effective.