Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-12
Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> Thu, 21 June 2018 07:46 UTC
Return-Path: <mbj@tail-f.com>
X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B52130FBE for <netconf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:46:05 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.9
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JwBH3VtgP9b4 for <netconf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:46:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F3D131028 for <netconf@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 00:46:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (h-80-27.A165.priv.bahnhof.se [212.85.80.27]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D09F1AE01AA; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:46:03 +0200 (CEST)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:46:03 +0200
Message-Id: <20180621.094603.190163653994529777.mbj@tail-f.com>
To: zhoutianran@huawei.com
Cc: andy@yumaworks.com, evoit=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org, alex@clemm.org, netconf@ietf.org
From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
In-Reply-To: <BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21B55D00ED@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com>
References: <03a8630197c04815a3aa6d85d667f678@XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com> <CABCOCHSQvaJ+YZT-rGnmoR=pOFXAEGYPSUg4z_9W2-fopsFTYg@mail.gmail.com> <BBA82579FD347748BEADC4C445EA0F21B55D00ED@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com>
X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netconf/GB-5cmCPxSlIt_Ktr57aqUHJpB0>
Subject: Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-12
X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26
Precedence: list
List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list <netconf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netconf>, <mailto:netconf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netconf/>
List-Post: <mailto:netconf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:netconf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf>, <mailto:netconf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:46:06 -0000
Tianran Zhou <zhoutianran@huawei.com> wrote: > This makes sense to me. I would like to see messages like syslog can > alse be streamed by this notificatuons. What exactly do you mean? If you mean syslog messages wrapped in a notification like this: notification syslog-message { leaf msg { type string; } } then it is trivially supported by this spec. /martin > > Tianran > > > > > ________________________________ > Sent from WeLink > > 发件人: Andy Bierman > 收件人: Eric Voit > (evoit)<evoit=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:evoit=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> > 抄送: > alex<alex@clemm.org<mailto:alex@clemm.org>>;netconf<netconf@ietf.org<mailto:netconf@ietf.org>> > 主题: Re: [Netconf] comments on > draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-12 > 时间: 2018-06-20 07:42:09 > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Eric Voit (evoit) > <evoit=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:evoit=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> > wrote: > > From: Kent Watsen, June 19, 2018 5:58 PM > > > > > > > > An event record is not necessarily a YANG notification, as the > > > > > > event record's payload might not be driven by the result of a > > > > > > YANG statement. > > > > > > > > > > I don't get this. Can you give an example of when an event record > > > > > is not defined as a YANG "notification"? > > > > > > > > Why do we care about non-YANG-defined notification messages? How are > > > > systems expected to interoperate on such opaque data blobs? > > > > > > Opaque data blobs is what RFC-5277 can carry. The WG asked to update > > > RFC-5277 using the improved control plane of YANG-Push. This is what > > > makes up the documents in LC. > > > > > > <snip/> > > > > > > The drafts in LC adds RPC / signaling mechanisms. The opaque data > > > blobs are > > not in scope. > > > > RFC 5277 may have allowed opaque data blocks, but I think that we > > should try > > to bury that support now. Can this document say that all > > notifications MUST > > be defined by a YANG-defined "notification" statement? Could this > > break in > > compatibility be advertised somehow? > > > MUST be defined in YANG is a bit strong. > I would say SHOULD be defined in YANG, for the "NETCONF" stream. > Other streams do not have to use YANG notification statements. > > > Andy > > I had always seen as subscribed-notifications as a control plane > improvement to RFC-5277. Explicitly excluding XSD, SYSLOG, vendor > structures, etc. seems unnecessary. > > I can ping a few people who have legacy implementations which might be > closer to this than I. Narrowing the scope in this way should be > broadly discussed. > > > > It would be helpful to get some comments on > > > draft-ietf-netconf-notification- > > messages. > > > This draft address improvements to the opaque data blobs. > > > > Perhaps tease us with a little more detail? ;) > > Pretty much all the common headers in Section 3 and the message > bundling in Section 4 are both improvements which are relevant to this > thread. Tianran likely will have some new headers he wants added as > part of the multi-line card work. > > Eric > > > Kent > > > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org<mailto:Netconf@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Alexander Clemm
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Kent Watsen
- [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subscrib… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-subs… Eric Voit (evoit)