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Hi Dylan,

I don=92t think the proposed wording is correct.  It implies (at least to m=
e) that you could compare between the last update point of the private cand=
idate and the initial creation point of the private candidate (and not invo=
lve the current point of the private candidate at all).  This was not the i=
ntention of the original wording.

I=92ve added the RFC into the text for the upcoming -05 as you suggest.

Thanks

James


From: dylan.sadoun@orange.com <dylan.sadoun@orange.com>
Date: Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 08:01
To: netconf@ietf.org <netconf@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-netconf-privcand@ietf.o=
rg <draft-ietf-netconf-privcand@ietf.org>
Subject: draft-ietf-netconf-privcand private candidate | <compare> on priva=
te-candidate(s)

Hello



Quoting 4.5:



"A <compare> operation MAY be performed against:

  1.  The initial creation point of the private candidate's branch
  2.  Against the last update point of the private candidate's branch
  3.  Against the running configuration"



This phrasing seems a bit obscure to me... If these are 3 different points =
of comparison, wouldn't it be simpler rephrased as:



"A <compare> [RFC9144<https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-netconf-pr=
ivcand-03.html#RFC9144>] operation MAY be performed against two of:

  1.  The initial creation point of the private candidate's branch
  2.  The last update point of the private candidate's branch
  3.  The running configuration"



NB: I added the reference to RFC9144 as well.



Best regards,
Dylan Sadoun
Orange Restricted



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">Hi Dylan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">I don=92t think the proposed wording is correct.&nbsp; It implies (=
at least to me) that you could compare between the last update point of the=
 private candidate and the initial creation
 point of the private candidate (and not involve the current point of the p=
rivate candidate at all).&nbsp; This was not the intention of the original =
wording.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">I=92ve added the RFC into the text for the upcoming -05 as you sugg=
est.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US">James<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language=
:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span lang=3D"FR" =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">dylan.s=
adoun@orange.com &lt;dylan.sadoun@orange.com&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 30 July 2024 at 08:01<br>
<b>To: </b>netconf@ietf.org &lt;netconf@ietf.org&gt;, draft-ietf-netconf-pr=
ivcand@ietf.org &lt;draft-ietf-netconf-privcand@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>draft-ietf-netconf-privcand private candidate | &lt;compare=
&gt; on private-candidate(s)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Hello</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Quoting 4.5:</span><span lang=3D"FR=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&quot;A &lt;compare&gt; operatio=
n MAY be performed against:</span></i><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:mid=
dle"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-languag=
e:EN-US">The initial creation point of the private
 candidate's branch</span></i><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;m=
so-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3;vertical-a=
lign:middle"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast=
-language:EN-US">Against the last update point of the private
 candidate's branch</span></i><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;m=
so-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3;vertical-a=
lign:middle"><i><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US">Against the running configuration&quot;</span></i><span lang=
=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">This phrasing seems a bit obscure t=
o me... If these are 3 different points of comparison, wouldn't it be simpl=
er rephrased as:</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&quot;A &lt;compare&=
gt;
</span></i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">[</span><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-netconf-privcand-03.html=
#RFC9144"><span lang=3D"EN-US">RFC9144</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">]
 operation MAY be performed against two of:</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6;vertical-align:mid=
dle"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-languag=
e:EN-US">The initial creation point of the private
 candidate's branch</span></i><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;m=
so-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6;vertical-a=
lign:middle"><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast=
-language:EN-US">The last update point of the private candidate's
 branch</span></i><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures=
:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6;vertical-align:middle"=
><i><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&q=
uot;,sans-serif;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
">The running configuration&quot;</span></i><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font=
-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><=
o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">NB: I added the reference to RFC914=
4 as well.</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Best regards,</span><span lang=3D"FR">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</o:p></span></p>
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