Re: [Netconf] netconf-binary-encoding comments

Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> Fri, 06 July 2018 20:39 UTC

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From: Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>
To: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>, Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>, Robert Wilton <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "netconf@ietf.org" <netconf@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Netconf] netconf-binary-encoding comments
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> Working on binary (gNMI).
> Very interested in CBOR+SID as a better solution.
> The NETCONF WG is done wrt/ RESTCONF.

Collections are still pending and, if RESTCONF is ever to supersede NETCONF, there would need to be something like a commit-confirmed, or perhaps this is already taken care of via /restconf/operations/ietf-netconf:commit?

BTW, I notice that nowhere in the nmda-restconf draft does it mention that the auto-commit feature of the "unified" datastore is no active and that clients must(?) now use /restconf/operations/* to do things.  Is this an oversight?


> CORE WG will standardize YANG to CBOR and SID.
> Seems like any use of CBOR in NETCONF, YANG Push, or RESTCONF
> is gated on the completion of these RFCs.

Regarding YANG-push, perhaps the NETCONF WG should consider a "coap-notif" transport layer draft and, by extension, the CORE WG should consider defining a "coap-client-server" draft.


> Andy

Kent // contributor