[netconf] Re: [netmod] Re: Default statements on udp-client-server groupings
Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> Fri, 20 September 2024 15:14 UTC
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:14:38 -0700
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Hi, I do not think any new YANG guidelines need to be added to the already completed rfc8407bis. This is a design decision based on the intended reuse of the groupings. Here is a common sense guideline: Document the grouping reuse limitations in the description-stmt. Andy On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 8:02 AM Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote: > > Can folks please chime in on this discussion to help bring it to a close? > > I rescinded my AUTH48 “approval” for the tcp-client-server draft pending > the outcome of this discussion. > > PS: I see that Thomas CC-ed NETMOD, which makes sense given a potential > update to rfc8407bis. > > Kent > > > On Sep 18, 2024, at 2:52 AM, Thomas.Graf@swisscom.com wrote: > > Dear Kent, Andy and Alex, > > I think Alex statement > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netconf/5Yaiom0B0lDTeSPOvgNfPIEFvBw/, > Andy's feedback and guidelines in > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8407#section-4.4 resp. > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-15#section-4.4 > makes perfectly sense and I don't see why we should do else. As an > author, I suggest to add in section 4 of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis based > on the conclusion of this discussion guidelines on reusable YANG groupings. > > Best wishes > Thomas > > *From:* Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2024 3:12 AM > *To:* Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> > *Cc:* netconf@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-netconf-udp-client-server.authors@ietf.org > *Subject:* [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-server groupings > > *Be aware:* This is an external email. > > Hi Andy, > > > The main purpose for YANG defaults is ease of use. > If there are less things to configure then the device is easier to use. > Without a default port then this parameter becomes mandatory to configure. > > > Alex is trying to maximize lazy binding. That is, as a general statement, unless > 100% sure, groupings should never specify the “default” or “mandatory” > statements, leaving it to terminal “uses” statements to specify. His > comment raises to the level of something that could be an addition to > rfc8407bis. > > Thoughts? > > Kent > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list -- netmod@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to netmod-leave@ietf.org > > >
- [netconf] Default statements on udp-client-server… Alex Huang Feng
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Thomas.Graf
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… mohamed.boucadair
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Benoit Claise
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Qin Wu
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Kent Watsen
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Andy Bierman
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Kent Watsen
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Andy Bierman
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Kent Watsen
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Alex Huang Feng
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Kent Watsen
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Alex Huang Feng
- [netconf] UDP-noitf ports and other considerations Kent Watsen
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Andy Bierman
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Thomas.Graf
- [netconf] Re: [netmod] Re: Default statements on … Per Andersson
- [netconf] Re: UDP-noitf ports and other considera… Thomas.Graf
- [netconf] Re: [netmod] Re: Default statements on … Kent Watsen
- [netconf] Re: [netmod] Re: Default statements on … Kent Watsen
- [netconf] Re: [netmod] Re: Default statements on … Andy Bierman
- [netconf] Re: [netmod] Re: Default statements on … Andy Bierman
- [netconf] Re: UDP-noitf ports and other considera… Paolo Lucente
- [netconf] Re: Default statements on udp-client-se… Kent Watsen
- [netconf] Re: [netmod] Re: Default statements on … Andy Bierman
- [netconf] Re: [netmod] Re: Default statements on … Thomas.Graf
- [netconf] Re: [netmod] Re: Re: Default statements… Alex Huang Feng
- [netconf] Re: [netmod] Re: Default statements on … tom petch