[netconf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-over-quic-00.txt

[Marc Blanchet <[e-mail]>]

> Le 25 sept. 2024 à 08:37, [e-mail] a écrit :
> 
> Hi authors, all,
> 
> Now that the document is adopted as a WG item, I think that some serious clean-up is needed to better focus on the key spec :-)

Sure. We decided to _not_ make any change to the draft from individual to wg -00 so that it will be easier to trace for the wg. And we already have comments from during the adoption call that are being processed. 

The repo is https://github.com/netconf-wg/netconf-over-quic

Feel free to create issues or PR.

> 
> I understand that given that the doc was out there since 2019, it cumulates text that might not valid (stale) to motivate the need for a new NETCONF transport. However, parts of that text is questionable and will be a distraction. This actually starts with the abstract with mentions such as TCP or statements such as "QUIC provides useful semantics for Network management" or "difficult  environments". Likewise, no need to mention in the introduction the constrained environments as there are other more suitable solutions such as CoAP, coreconf, etc. Also, text such as the following cites RFCs that are historic since a while:
> 
> CURRENT:
>   The NETCONF protocol is not bound to any particular transport
>   protocol, but allows a mapping to define how it can be implemented
>   over any specific protocol.  At present, some secure transport
>   protocols are defined to carry NETCONF: Secure SHell(SSH)[RFC6242],
>   Transport Layer Security(TLS)[RFC7589], Simple Object Access
>   Protocol(SOAP)[RFC4743] and Blocks Extensible Exchange
>   Protocol(BEEP)[RFC4744].

yes.

> 
> I would also avoid repeating parts of specs that are already in the base NETCONF and QUIC.

This is an interesting debate. I also had thought about that and provided some comments to that effect when I was invited to be co-author lately. We did remove some stuff, but I was not sure how much we shall, since this is an example of a topic crossing two protocols. How much info one need to know for the other. Will look into it.

> For example, there is no need to repeat all the same details about the Stream ID types, etc. 
> 
> Although I expect the mapping to be less complex, I encourage the authors to look into RFC 9250 and leverage it as much as appropriate.

Ok

> 
> Hope this helps.

Yes, thanks.

If you like to fill these as issues on the repo, it would be easier to track (for you and the wg). I can do it too but might not be as good as the commenter.

Marc.

> 
> Cheers,
> Med
> 
>> -----Message d'origine-----
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>> Envoyé : mercredi 25 septembre 2024 03:01
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>> Objet : I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-over-quic-00.txt
>> 
>> 
>> Internet-Draft draft-ietf-netconf-over-quic-00.txt is now
>> available. It is a work item of the Network Configuration
>> (NETCONF) WG of the IETF.
>> 
>>   Title:   NETCONF over QUIC
>>   Authors: Jinyou Dai
>>            Shaohua Yu
>>            Weiqiang Cheng
>>            Marc Blanchet
>>            Per Andersson
>>   Name:    draft-ietf-netconf-over-quic-00.txt
>>   Pages:   10
>>   Dates:   2024-09-24
>> 
>> Abstract:
>> 
>>   The Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) provides
>> mechanisms to
>>   install, manipulate, and delete the configuration of network
>> devices.
>>   NETCONF can be carried over various transports such as TCP,
>> SSH or
>>   else.  QUIC provides useful semantics for Network management
>> and
>>   NETCONF in particular as a single connection can carry
>> multiple
>>   requests over streams, enabling much better efficiency and
>>   performance for both peers.  QUIC provides shorter handshake
>> and
>>   includes TLS.  QUIC is also more adaptable to more difficult
>>   environments such as those with long delays.  This document
>> describes
>>   how to use NETCONF over the QUIC transport protocol, named
>>   NETCONFoQUIC.
>> 
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
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