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Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hidden

Kent Watsen <kent@watsen.net> Thu, 02 May 2019 16:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [netconf] ietf crypto types - permanently hidden
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Hi Rob,

> Why is a separate action required to create the keys? 
> 
> Why is the configuration to generate a hidden key not sufficient for the device to automatically allocate a key in the TPM module?


I seem to be failing with words. 
Hopefully a picture will do the trick...



THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY
==============================

                         |  Client is okay with the      |  Client is NOT okay with the  |
                         |  private key being in config  |  private key being in config  |
                         |  w/ nacm:default-deny-all.    |  i.e., wants "hidden" key.    |
                         |  (doc model not impacted.)    |  (doc model impacted!)        |
                         |  (this col more important)    |  (this col less important)    |
                         |                               |                               |
-------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
                         |                               |                               |
Client is okay with      |                               |                               |
generating the private   |  <edit-config> can be used.   |  use <install-hidden-key>     |
key (not best practice)  |                               |                               |
                         |                               |                               |
-------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
                         |                               |                               |
Client is NOT okay with  |                               |                               |
generating the private   |  Currently no solution !!!    |  use <generate-hidden-key>    |
key (best practice)      |                               |                               |
                         |                               |                               |
-------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+





PROPOSAL: move "hidden" from action names to an input parameter, and let an action gen config
=============================================================================================

                         |  Client is okay with the      |  Client is NOT okay with the  |
                         |  private key being in config  |  private key being in config  |
                         |  w/ nacm:default-deny-all.    |  i.e., wants "hidden" key.    |
                         |  (doc model not impacted.)    |  (doc model impacted!)        |
                         |  (this col more important)    |  (this col less important)    |
                         |                               |                               |
-------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
                         |                               |                               |
Client is okay with      |  Either <edit-config> or      |  Use <install-key> with       |
generating the private   |  <install-key> with input     |  input "hidden".              |
key (not best practice)  |  NOT "hidden".                |                               |
                         |                               |                               |
-------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+
                         |                               |                               |
Client is NOT okay with  |  Use <generate-key> with      |  Use <generate-key> with      |
generating the private   |  with input NOT "hidden".     |  with input "hidden".         |
key (best practice)      |                               |                               |
                         |                               |                               |
-------------------------+-------------------------------+-------------------------------+



Other proposals welcomed.

Kent // contributor

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