[netconf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-udp-client-server-05.txt

Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com> Mon, 21 October 2024 20:19 UTC

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Speaking as a contributor, and if I understand the problem statement ….


> On Oct 21, 2024, at 9:05 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
>  
> Alex : “My opinion is that groupings that simply use other groupings are not interesting enough to be defined in a RFC.”
>  
> I’m afraid we can’t generalize as this depends on the expected reuse or whether this is shipped with other groupings in the same RFC-to-be…like the QUIC/UDP ;-)

[mj] .. I would agree that if the grouping that just includes other groupings could be of value in the draft where it is being used. In this case, if the grouping is defined in draft-andersson-netconf-quic-client-server and used there. Outside of that, I do not see a reason to move them to the udp-client-server draft. If someone needs to use the groupings, can’t they be used by importing them from the quic draft itself?

Cheers.

>  
> Cheers,
> Med
>  
> De : Alex Huang Feng <alex.huang-feng@insa-lyon.fr <mailto:alex.huang-feng@insa-lyon.fr>> 
> Envoyé : jeudi 17 octobre 2024 18:51
> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>>
> Cc : Netconf <netconf@ietf.org <mailto:netconf@ietf.org>>
> Objet : Re: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-udp-client-server-05.txt
>  
> 
> 
> Dear Med,
>  
> I missed that one. Yes, there is a current discussion on whether the groupings from draft-andersson-netconf-quic-client-server should be moved to the draft-ietf-netconf-udp-client-server.
> My opinion is that groupings that simply use other groupings are not interesting enough to be defined in a RFC.
>  
> Regards,
> Alex
> 
> 
> On 17 Oct 2024, at 18:26, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote:
>  
> Hi Alex, 
> 
> 
> There are no remaining issues on the draft.
> 
> I think there is still a pending issue about including the genetic quic groupings into this draft. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Med
> 
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Alex Huang Feng <alex.huang-feng@insa-lyon.fr <mailto:alex.huang-feng@insa-lyon.fr>>
> Envoyé : jeudi 17 octobre 2024 16:19
> À : Netconf <netconf@ietf.org <mailto:netconf@ietf.org>>
> Objet : [netconf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-udp-client-
> server-05.txt
> 
> 
> Dear NETCONF,
> 
> This iteration addresses the comments from Med and William
> removing the "-grouping" from the groupings and the "-supported"
> from the feature.
> 
> There are no remaining issues on the draft.
> 
> Regards,
> Alex
> 
> 
> On 17 Oct 2024, at 15:51, internet-drafts@ietf.org <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
> 
> Internet-Draft draft-ietf-netconf-udp-client-server-05.txt is
> now available.
> 
> It is a work item of the Network Configuration (NETCONF) WG of
> the IETF.
> 
> 
>  Title:   YANG Groupings for UDP Clients and UDP Servers
>  Authors: Alex Huang Feng
>           Pierre Francois
>           Kent Watsen
>  Name:    draft-ietf-netconf-udp-client-server-05.txt
>  Pages:   13
>  Dates:   2024-10-17
> 
> Abstract:
> 
>  This document defines two YANG 1.1 modules to support the
>  configuration of UDP clients and UDP servers.
> 
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