[netconf] Re: [IANA #1379432] RE: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt

[Andy Bierman <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 12:53 AM <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Re-,
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> I know this is surprising, but we have a bunch of Netconf-related
> assignments out there (while they shouldn’t).
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> Let’s fix that.
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I agree that 3 wasted low-number ports should be fixed.

1) ports

The TCP port assignments 831, 832, and 833 are no longer used:

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4744.html#section-4
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4743#section-5

2) procedure

The WG should have officially requested from IANA that these ports be
released when
the documents changed to Historic.



Cheers,
>
> Med
>


Andy


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> *De :* Andy Bierman <[e-mail]>
> *Envoyé :* mardi 8 octobre 2024 06:56
> *À :* BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <[e-mail]>
> *Cc :* [e-mail]
> *Objet :* Re: [netconf] Re: [IANA #1379432] RE: I-D Action:
> draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt
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> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 9:33 PM <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Hi Andy,
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> This is not about requesting new port numbers, but de-assigning them.
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> Please refer to the doc for more details.
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> OK - but the UDP de-assignments are incorrect.
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> There were only TCP assignments requested in those RFCs.
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> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6242#section-7
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> Only TCP is mentioned, not UDP.
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> The TCP ports for SoAP and BEEP are obsolete.
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> Cheers,
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> Med
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> Andy
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> *De :* Andy Bierman <[e-mail]>
> *Envoyé :* lundi 7 octobre 2024 19:59
> *À :* BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <[e-mail]>
> *Cc :* [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail];
> [e-mail]
> *Objet :* Re: [netconf] Re: [IANA #1379432] RE: I-D Action:
> draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt
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> Hi,
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> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 7:39 AM <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Hi Amanda, all,
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> Thank you for sharing this feedback.
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> Great to hear that we don't need an RFC for the fixes in 3.1/3.2/3.3.
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> NETCONF has never been designed or approved to run over UDP.
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> The NETCONF WG requested TCP port numbers only.
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> I do not understand why the NETCONF WG is requesting UDP port numbers at
> this time.
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> As a logistic matter, can we use this discussion to trigger the process of
> examining the requested actions? (seeks for AD approvals/experts, etc.)
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> Cheers,
> Med
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> Andy
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> PS: I updated the draft to remove 3.4 as that one is not actually needed.
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> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Sabrina Tanamal via RT <[e-mail]>
> > Envoyé : vendredi 4 octobre 2024 19:55
> > À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <[e-mail]>
> > Cc : [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail];
> > [e-mail]
> > Objet : [IANA #1379432] RE: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-boucadair-
> > netconf-port-numbers-00.txt
> >
> > Hi Med, all,
> >
> > Thanks for the note.
> >
> > Looping in Zahed, the WIT AD, for input.
> >
> > Ordinarily, to release or change registrations made by an RFC,
> > IANA needs either another RFC or directions from the IESG (such as
> > a status change document or, rarely, a decision at a telechat,
> > which might not result in a useful reference beyond a quick
> > statement in the official minutes).
> >
> > It may be possible to take care of most of these without an RFC,
> > though.
> >
> > Section 3.1: RFC 6262 didn't tell us to register the UDP port. If
> > the UDP registration is erroneous, we could ask the AD (as opposed
> > to IESG) approval to confirm that it could be listed as "Reserved"
> > instead (per our standard procedure when only the TCP port is
> > registered). The AD might suggest consulting the port expert
> > before moving forward.
> >
> > Sections 3.2 and 3.3: I see that the status for 4743 and 4744 was
> > changed to "historic" in 2012. Currently, when we see a status
> > change -- I'm not sure when this one came through -- we ask
> > whether any registrations should be marked "deprecated" or
> > "obsolete." We didn't do this at the time. We could also ask the
> > ADs if we could proceed with the actions in Sections 3.2 and 3.3
> > now based on the de-assignment procedure recommendation in Section
> > 8.2 of RFC 6335. As noted above, this may also require
> > consultation with the port expert.
> >
> > Section 3.4: given that draft-ietf-netconf-over-tls13 is in the
> > RFC Editor's queue, is it possible to update that document's IANA
> > Considerations section to refer to RFC 8446 instead of itself?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Sabrina
> >
> > On Tue Oct 01 10:08:59 2024, [e-mail] wrote:
> > > Hi Kent, all,
> > >
> > > Cool, thanks.
> > >
> > > I don't know whether we actually need a document to "fix" this.
> > I'm
> > > adding IANA and our AD for advice on how to proceed for these
> > matters.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Med
> > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De : Kent Watsen <[e-mail]>
> > > > Envoyé : jeudi 26 septembre 2024 16:37 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed
> > > > INNOV/NET <[e-mail]> Cc : [e-mail]
> > Objet
> > > > : Re: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-boucadair-netconf-port-
> > > > numbers-00.txt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Med,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for initiating this effort.  Honestly, I didn’t know
> > that
> > > > those unnecessary allocations existed.  It is goodness to
> > release
> > > > unneeded allocations.
> > > >
> > > > Kent / contributor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Sep 26, 2024, at 8:50 AM, [e-mail]
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > An attempt to clean up NETCONF-related assignments,
> > especially
> > > > for those in 0-1023 range. We might consider repurposing some
> > of
> > > > them (e.g., QUIC).
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Med
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > > De : [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> > Envoyé
> > > > :
> > > > > jeudi 26 septembre 2024 14:40 À : [e-mail]
> > Objet :
> > > > I-D
> > > > > Action: draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt
> > > > >
> > > > > Internet-Draft draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt
> > is
> > > > now available.
> > > > >
> > > > > Title:   NETCONF Transport Port Numbers
> > > > > Author:  Mohamed Boucadair
> > > > > Name:    draft-boucadair-netconf-port-numbers-00.txt
> > > > > Pages:   9
> > > > > Dates:   2024-09-26
> > > > >
> > > > > Abstract:
> > > > >
> > > > > This document releases NETCONF-related port number IANA
> > > > assignments
> > > > > that were made for inappropriate transport protocols or for
> > > > an
> > > > > Historic NETCONF-related protocol.
> > > > >
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