Re: [netconf] netconf-tls wasRe: Summary of updates

Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Tue, 25 May 2021 16:29 UTC

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Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 18:29:21 +0200
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
To: tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>
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Subject: Re: [netconf] netconf-tls wasRe: Summary of updates
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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 03:58:10PM +0000, tom petch wrote:
> 
> I guess someone (Tom?) should review RFC 5539 from the TLS 1.3
> perspective to tell the WG if any changes are needed so that the WG
> can take an informed decision whether an update of RFC 5539 is
> necessary or whether what we have is good enough.
> 
> <tp>
> Well, I tend to forget that RFC5539 is obsolete, obsoleted by RFC7589 which is X.509 certificate only; no PSK, no naked public keys.  My concerns with TLS1.3 mostly relate to PSK which allows data to flow before the handshake is complete, before authentication is complete, which is a problem for some applications as I mentioned before; but staying with X.509 authentication only for Netconf makes life simpler for a 7589bis, replace 1.2 by 1.3 and think about the extensions to see what may be needed.
>

So regarding a possible update of RFC 7589, what is needed?

+ Require TLS 1.3 (update section 8)

Which extensions should one think about? Do you mean RFC 8773 or
something else?

/js

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